Voter ID laws: Everyone has an ID, right? Nope

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by OldDog

....do they still have those?

[bigrun]

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney's campaign is asking Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli to launch an investigation into voter-registration forms that are being sent to Virginia residents and addressed to deceased relatives, children, family pets and others ineligible to vote.

I thought only Chicago dead people could vote!..and family pets are like people..

The organization has been mass-mailing the forms — pre-populated with key information such as names and addresses — to primarily Democratic-leaning voting blocs such as young adults, unmarried women, African-Americans and Latinos.

There those repukes go again, trying to shutdown our biggest voting bloc..

In a letter to Cuccinelli's office and the State Board of Elections, Kathryn Bieber, an attorney for the Romney campaign, calls for an investigation into the matter by law-enforcement officials, claiming that the mailings appear to violate "at least one and maybe several Virginia laws aimed at ensuring a fair election."**

Bieber refers to the mailings as "tactics that amount to, or at the very least induce, voter registration fraud,"* and says the issue "presents a very significant risk to the proper administration of the upcoming general election."

**How is that unfair?...Jeb Bush was unfair in 2000. wouldn't allow a recount..
*The other side just doesn't get caught..

"This is the only way for voters and other interested parties to regain confidence in the voter registration and electoral process that has been abused by the Voter Participation Center," the letter says.

Interested parties, is that code for repukes?


http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/n...ms-ar-2081517/

[Riot]

Do they not realize that the dead person or a cat would actually have to go and register to vote , following all the states current voter registration laws, and then actually vote in an election, for it to be voter fraud? That simply sending out mailers is ... spam mailing?

Cats simply can't use those Diebold machines. No opposable thumbs.

[joeydb]

If you want to vote, get a f**king ID. Period.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Riot

Do they not realize that the dead person or a cat would actually have to go and register to vote , following all the states current voter registration laws, and then actually vote in an election, for it to be voter fraud? That simply sending out mailers is ... spam mailing?

Cats simply can't use those Diebold machines. No opposable thumbs.

Don't worry Riot. The same people who give these disadvantaged people a ride to get registered and to the polls on election day can give them a ride to get an I.D. If you don't know enough to get an I.D. you may be a little on the stupid side and shouldn't be voting anyway. That's how people like Obama get elected.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

If you don't know enough to get an I.D. you may be a little on the stupid side and shouldn't be voting anyway..

Historically interesting to see you literally repeat a Jim Crow era anti-black sentiment about voters.

You do realize that we American citizens don't have to possess a certain IQ, or color of skin, or job, or social status, or income level, in order to vote. Right?

"Too stupid to vote" ... so you're against the Constitution? You think you are better than 90-year-old white rural American citizens who don't have birth certificates? Here's a good quote for that opinion you hold: "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force."...Thomas Jefferson.

BTW: Republicans, who were so proud of ALEC's voter ID law agenda because, as they've publicly said, they think it will disenfranchise Democratic voters and allow them to win ... have just realized that these GOP voter ID laws, if allowed by the courts, will disenfranchise about an equal - but highly significant - number of elderly white voters in swing states of Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, that usually vote Republican.

Oops.

Expect to see diminished pushback and defense by Republicans in these states as their restrictive voter ID laws are brought to court. As the disenfranchisement numbers come out, the GOP has realized that they may have screwed themselves.

[Clip-Clop]

I would be for a basic civics test for the privilege of voting. it is because of uninformed voters that the informed voters are so upset by the current government.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I would be for a basic civics test for the privilege of voting. it is because of uninformed voters that the informed voters are so upset by the current government.

Are you serious? That exact type of test was given in this country, and outlawed in the 1960's as illegal. You'd clearly fail such a test yourself, as you are unawares of our United States civil rights history

We already have a basic civics test for voting. It's called, "Being an American Citizen". Even grossly uninformed voters, unawares of our voting laws and civil rights laws, such as yourself, can vote.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I would be for a basic civics test for the privilege of voting. it is because of uninformed voters that the informed voters are so upset by the current government.

i don't know about that now....there are plenty of both to go around. and what's 'informed' mean? for instance, if someone was clinging to the opinion that obama is muslim, would that mean he was or wasn't informed?
and what kind of civics test? they have to name the current administration? 6 of the 9 court justices? or name former presidents-most people would fail that, but that doesn't mean they aren't informed.

[Riot]

The Federal Voting Rights Act, passed in 1965, made tests such as this one illegal

Alabama Literacy Test

Take this quiz to see whether you would have been able to vote
before 1965 if you were not white.

http://kpearson.project.tcnj.edu/int...iles/test.html

Alabama Literacy Test
Parts "B" and "C"

In a typical Alabama literacy test, Part "A" required you to read out loud to the registrar's satisfaction a section of the Constitution (and in some cases verbally interpret it to his satisfaction). You then had to write out a section.

After that, you were given Parts "B" and "C" which were two sets of four written questions that you had to answer.

The parts "B" and "C" we display on this website are some examples from workbooks that Citizenship School teachers, such as the young woman in the photo at left, used to teach applicants what to expect when they went down to the courthouse to register. For that reason, the correct answers for each question are shown.

http://www.crmvet.org/info/litques.htm

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Are you serious? That exact type of test was given in this country, and outlawed in the 1960's as illegal. You'd clearly fail such a test yourself, as you are unawares of our United States civil rights history

We already have a basic civics test for voting. It's called, "Being an American Citizen". Even grossly uninformed voters, unawares of our voting laws and civil rights laws, such as yourself, can vote.

I know all of this, although your description is a little bit flawed to say "that EXACT type of test". Just because something was deemed to be illegal doesn't mean it wasn't the right thing to do.
Foreigners looking to become citizens (with the right to vote) need to pass such a test, why is simply being born here a pass on learning something?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I know all of this, although your description is a little bit flawed to say "that EXACT type of test".

No. The Jim Crow voter discrimination tests were exactly "civics" tests. See the example I posted.

Just because something was deemed to be illegal doesn't mean it wasn't the right thing to do.

Do you think Jim Crow tests were the right thing to do?

Foreigners looking to become citizens (with the right to vote) need to pass such a test, why is simply being born here a pass on learning something?

Who is taking a pass on learning something? American students all take junior high school American history and civics class. You have to pass US civics to advance to the next grade.

You were supposed to learn this in Junior High school!

Apparently some can't remember our disgraceful voting rights and civil rights embarrassments as a country.

You said this

I would be for a basic civics test for the privilege of voting. it is because of uninformed voters that the informed voters are so upset by the current government.

Voting is not a privilege. Voting is a Constitution Right. Those two things are not the same. The only requirement for voting in this country is to be an American Citizen. There are not requirements for color of skin, not age, not "education", not wealth, not ability to drive (have a photo ID), not ability to bank (have a photo ID), not ability to work, not ability to read.

You just have to be an American citizen. You have to fit nobody's "requirements" but our Constitution.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

No. The Jim Crow voter discrimination tests were exactly "civics" tests. See the example I posted.



Do you think Jim Crow tests were the right thing to do?



Who is taking a pass on learning something? American students all take junior high school American history and civics class. You have to pass US civics to advance to the next grade.

You were supposed to learn this in Junior High school!

Apparently some can't remember our disgraceful voting rights and civil rights embarrassments as a country.

You said this

Voting is not a privilege. Voting is a Constitution Right. Those two things are not the same. The only requirement for voting in this country is to be an American Citizen. There are not requirements for color of skin, not age, not "education", not wealth, not ability to drive (have a photo ID), not ability to bank (have a photo ID), not ability to work, not ability to read.

You just have to be an American citizen. You have to fit nobody's "requirements" but our Constitution.

You honestly believe that because kids "pass" a civics class they have learned something?
You know very little about our education system.
http://community.heywhateversocial.i...405/22914.html
Enjoy.

[Clip-Clop]

I am suggesting it be a privilege, earned by demonstrating a desire to at least understand something about the system of government used here.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I am suggesting it be a privilege, earned by demonstrating a desire to at least understand something about the system of government used here.

Our Supreme Court has already said your idea is unconstitutional. Thank God.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Our Supreme Court has already said your idea is unconstitutional. Thank God.

No comment on foreigners wishing to become citizens actually having to learn something before getting to vote?
Being a citizen of the United States is a privilege and the rights that go along with it should be treated the same way.

I like the idea of a citizen/resident policy.
Citizens pay taxes, contribute, educate themselves, serve the country in the military or other civic duties and therefore get to choose who runs things.
Residents live and sometimes work here. Path to citizenship-see above.

Citizens United, still think the Supreme court is perfect?

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I am suggesting it be a privilege, earned by demonstrating a desire to at least understand something about the system of government used here.

if you're serious, you're in slippery slope land. a basic civics test might end voting privleges for the most uniformed but that would certainly include the average fox viewer.

[Riot]

I like the idea of a citizen/resident policy.
Citizens pay taxes, contribute, educate themselves, serve the country in the military or other civic duties and therefore get to choose who runs things.
Residents live and sometimes work here. Path to citizenship-see above.

Citizens United, still think the Supreme court is perfect?

If you are unhappy with our current Constitution, especially the most fundamental right that founded this country, and you wish to overthrow our Constitution and replace it with a plutocracy or meritocracy, I'm not buying.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

if you're serious, you're in slippery slope land. a basic civics test might end voting privleges for the most uniformed but that would certainly include the average fox viewer.

i agree on all counts. slippery slope indeed and would need to be very careful with the writing.

That said it is the far end of both spectrum that have ruined this system and those are the ones I would like be to be eliminated from the process or educated back in.
They say the fundraising decides the office, that is sad and true. See it on TV and it even remotely resembles your beliefs and you (the collective you, not you personally) are on board.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

If you are unhappy with our current Constitution, especially the most fundamental right that founded this country, and you wish to overthrow our Constitution and replace it with a plutocracy or meritocracy, I'm not buying.

I do wish to overthrow our government, pretty much the whole thing, all branches, both parties, and go back to using the Constitution to run the country. As opposed to "interpreting" it (last I checked it is in English) to make whatever you want it to say feasible as is done now.