Rush Limbaugh has finally jumped the shark - advertisers abandoning him

[jms62]

Originally Posted by joeydb

OK in fairness I did not see the entire clip of her testimony.

The use of the pill should be covered as a treatment for ovarian cysts, and any other condition where it's the appropriate treatment. If it's not - get a better insurance company, because that one will not be around long.

I said she was being responsible insofar as her making the necessary provisions - but - she should pay for it, nobody else.

The hearing was an attempt to save the Obama administration from the very unpopular stand that they have taken against religious freedom. They stepped in it when they forced the Catholic Church to pay for insurance for their non-clergy employees - and here's the key - that MUST cover birth control.

There is little difference between a tax paid directly to the government versus a mandated payment to a third party like an insurance company. If you want to split hairs between what a taxpayer is and a mandated insurance customer, be my guest.

The assumption that someone who is single and taking birth control when not medically necessary by another condition is promiscuous is a reasonable one. There are always exceptions like any assumption, but who would take the medical risks (blood clots for example) and expense for a product that they didn't anticipate a need for?

And it is socialistic to take money from one person to give to another, whether directly or in the form of provided products. Taxation and those funds should be minimized by only paying for needs of the entire country - like the Defense Department, court system, Congress and the presidency, and, on a local level fire departments and police, and other similar functions. It should not be used to take money from one group and give it to another just because they complain. That's where the complaints of class warfare arise from too.

So you are against government funding of birth control and also against welfare. You are for less government in our lives but want more government in our lives when it comes to making abortion illegal and putting expensive barricades in place for those that seek to exercise their rights. All the while you blame Obama for raising deficit. Why not just say you hate anything the democrats are for at least you won't look like such a hypocrite.

[mclem0822]

From today's USA Today Rush says " I have always tried to maintain a level of integrity and independence with this program"! Who the F*ck is he trying to fool with that quote Five Year Old's! That's one of the biggest loads of crap he's ever uttered, and that's saying something! Considering he's the Leader of the radio Right-Wing Propaganda machine for the Republican Party!

[dellinger63]

Apparantly Ms. Fluke left out a few things

Sandra Fluke is being sold by the left as something she's not. Namely a random co-ed from Georgetown law who found herself mixed up in the latest front of the culture war who was simply looking to make sure needy women had access to birth control. That, of course, is not the case.

As many have already uncovered Sandra Fluke she is, in reality, a 30 year old long time liberal activist who enrolled at Georgetown with the express purpose of fighting for the school to pay for students' birth control. She has been pushing for mandated coverage of contraceptives at Georgetown for at least three years according to the Washington Post.

However, as I discovered today, birth control is not all that Ms. Fluke believes private health insurance must cover. She also, apparently, believes that it is discrimination deserving of legal action if "gender reassignment" surgeries are not covered by employer provided health insurance. She makes these views clear in an article she co-edited with Karen Hu in the Georgetown Journal of Gender and the Law.

This lady is not a slut, she's crazy. Who enrolls at a College to fight for covered contraception?

I wonder if Santorum wants to be President to take away abortion/contraception rights

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by jms62

So you are against government funding of birth control and also against welfare. You are for less government in our lives but want more government in our lives when it comes to making abortion illegal and putting expensive barricades in place for those that seek to exercise their rights. All the while you blame Obama for raising deficit. Why not just say you hate anything the democrats are for at least you won't look like such a hypocrite.

Abortion should never have been "legal". The wrongheadedness of the 1973 Supreme Court notwithstanding - abortion is murder.

As for increased government toward that end - that's a falsehood - we would just prosecute more murderers and their accomplices with the police and courts we now have.

Nice try. Oh, if the Democrats actually stand up for individual rights (instead of collective rights) for everybody, including white guys, maybe we'll give them a second look.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by mclem0822

From today's USA Today Rush says " I have always tried to maintain a level of integrity and independence with this program"! Who the F*ck is he trying to fool with that quote Five Year Old's! That's one of the biggest loads of crap he's ever uttered, and that's saying something! Considering he's the Leader of the radio Right-Wing Propaganda machine for the Republican Party!

I guess you expressed your outraged with Maher calling Palin a dumb c*nt....and I am sure you equally questioned his apology much like you did Rush's


It is amazing to be that the media is focused on this nonsense when Roman is burning

All of the problems in Politics/Society and this is a hot topic on this forum?

Good grief you people are conditioned and dumb. Happy Purim.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

All of the problems in Politics/Society and this is a hot topic on this forum?

Good grief you people are conditioned and dumb. Happy Purim.

Hey look, without these topics going on, there would be less opportunity for sarcastic comments. Wouldn't you agree?

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Hey look, without these topics going on, there would be less opportunity for sarcastic comments. Wouldn't you agree?

I scares me a bit that Coach and I posted the same things within minutes of each other


You mean like that Joey ?

Can't get enough of the manufactured drama. Two shills for their respected parties are going at it! Ohhh pick a side!!

How about both of them fu.ck off? How about people wake up to the fact that this is nothing more than a cheap diversionary tactic to keep your mind distracted from the multitude of real problems this country is facing.

And it's fitting that it involves an issue that shouldn't exist in the first place. Personal responsibility is lost on most.

Now lets devolve to the point where we're comparing sex addicts to alcoholics. They have no control! Oh no save them gubmint!

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Can't get enough of the manufactured drama. Two shills for their respected parties are going at it! Ohhh pick a side!!

How about both of them fu.ck off? How about people wake up to the fact that this is nothing more than a cheap diversionary tactic to keep your mind distracted from the multitude of real problems this country is facing.

And it's fitting that it involves an issue that shouldn't exist in the first place. Personal responsibility is lost on most.

Now lets devolve to the point where we're comparing sex addicts to alcoholics. They have no control! Oh no save them gubmint!

Does the alcoholic get free scotch from the government? Better make it Johnny Walker Blue - not that cheap Cutty Sark.

[mclem0822]

Originally Posted by geeker2

I guess you expressed your outraged with Maher calling Palin a dumb c*nt....and I am sure you equally questioned his apology much like you did Rush's


It is amazing to be that the media is focused on this nonsense when Roman is burning

Maher should apologize as well. But he hasn't spent 20 years or so degrading females among others on a National radio show the way this Dirtbag Rush has!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Obama's "step back" is nothing of the sort. So now instead of it appearing as a line item that the employer must pay for, it's in the "must provide" section of coverage.

Before Obama's revision, the bill to the employer might look like this:

BASIC INSURANCE PREMIUM for Jane Doe: $100
BIRTH CONTROL ADDITIONAL COVERAGE for Jane Doe: $20

Now, after Obama's 'accommodation', the revised bill is:

MINIMUM COVERAGE PREMIUM for Jane Doe: $120

It's the easiest shell game to see through. There has been no change, therefore the issue is the same, and I hope he pays a big political price for it.

If you read what I wrote, I'm actually not disagreeing with you on that many points. If the pill is required as treatment for a documented condition, it should be covered.

Pregnancy is not 'punishment' but one of the most common consequences of sexual behavior, as God intended (or Darwin would explain), or both.

The subsidizing of elective behavior is the issue. She wants to be promiscuous and wants us to pay for it.

Different example: Let's say I am a fisherman. I also suffer from extreme motion sickness, and I take an anti-motion-sickness medication. It's better than dramamine, but it requires let's say a week to get into my system and protect me from the motion sickness I might get while out on my fishing boat.

Question: If I am taking the motion sickness medication I described above today, would it be a safe assumption that I plan to go fishing within a week?

The principle is the same with the logic surrounding the assumption for the motivation for using the birth control pill.

since many states already have requirements that the church has signed off on, i think it's disingenuous for them to now balk at the fed attempting what many states already have.
as for bc being covered by insurers-they cover surgeries that eliminate potential pregnancy...not exactly consistent to say they won't cover a pill, but do cover tubals and vasectomies.
would it be safe to assume you plan to fish? probably. would i be able to say with exactness the dates and frequencies? no. nor would i give a damn. and therein lies the rub. if this wasn't about sex-some wouldn't give a damn.

and i think you'll find that insurance companies already offer coverage for bc to many-but some employers balk-for their own bs reasons, hence the issue. again, if you open the door under the banner of religious freedom to keep BC from being covered, you're opening a pandora's box of other things that people could attempt to exclude from their employees.

Originally Posted by joeydb

Does the alcoholic get free scotch from the government? Better make it Johnny Walker Blue - not that cheap Cutty Sark.

Prohibition is the answer. There are folks in Chicago drooling at the possibility.

[Danzig]

of course this isn't the biggest problem we have facing us. doesn't mean it's not an issue at all. it shouldn't be an issue in this day and age at all.

at any rate, i know where joey is coming from, so any further attempts on my part would be a complete waste of time.

Oh yeah the birth control hypocrisy. Globalism is cool for most things but not prescription drugs. Gee I wonder why?

Problem is solved when the market is indeed free and you can purchase generic drugs overseas.

The only reason why this is an issue is due to collectivism. The pharmaceutical industry practically owns Washington. Forcing insurance companies and employers to cover birth control will only increase the cost of these products. I don't need a statistical chart from the infamous cooked book brigade to tell me otherwise. I still have common sense, thanks.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

The only reason why this is an issue is due to collectivism. The pharmaceutical industry practically owns Washington. Forcing insurance companies and employers to cover birth control will only increase the cost of these products. I don't need a statistical chart from the infamous cooked book brigade to tell me otherwise. I still have common sense, thanks.

Exactly. I wish more people saw the obvious. Collectivism is the enemy of individual liberty.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Does the alcoholic get free scotch from the government? Better make it Johnny Walker Blue - not that cheap Cutty Sark.

Make it Johnny Walker Gold and i'm in....

[Danzig]

interesting--and a necessary read for those who are concerned about taxpayer dollars and welfare, etc. of course the current debates don't have to do with tax dollars, but with employer provided coverages.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2012...ey?ft=1&f=1001

Love them or hate them, contraceptives do save taxpayers money, Brookings concludes.

The study, from the Brookings Center on Children and Families, looked at three different ways to prevent unintended pregnancies, which account for about half of all pregnancies in the U.S.

...by far the biggest return on investment would come from expanding access to family planning through Medicaid, something made possibly through the 2010 Affordable Care Act. A $235 million investment there would lower taxpayer costs of $1.32 billion by preventing unintended pregnancies.


you lower pregnancy rates, you lower maternity demands. you lower pre-natal demands. you lower additions to welfare and medicaid. you don't have expenses to cover a persons' health throughout their lifetime if they're never born.
just think, if you prevented unintended pregnancies, you just cut childbirth rates in half.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Does the alcoholic get free scotch from the government? Better make it Johnny Walker Blue - not that cheap Cutty Sark.

no, but the alcoholic does get treatment thru his insurer.

And those savings will be spent for more warfare or some other bulls.hit reason.

The reality is responsible folks who earn their money will pay more for bc at the store. The cost will be dumped on the working class so the lazy f.ucks can have sex for free.

Many programs for people 300% above the poverty level and below provide bc for free through the drug companies

Really wish you would wake the f.uck up and stop making it easier for scum to prevent pregnancies. You will pay for it. The pennies you save in taxes will be made up. Count on it.