Over 1 Million signatures obtained to recall WI Gov. Scott Walker

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

What percentage of signatures do you think will be disallowed from the Walker recall petitions?

(Walker recall only, not the five other recalls also submitted. Not the Republican Senate majority leader Fitzgerald, the three other Republican state senators under recall now, or Lt. Governor Klefish now under recall too)

I'll guess, based upon the massive pre-vetting they did as signatures collected, and before they were turned into the GAB, less than 5% will be disallowed, probably more like 1-3%

What is your guess?

I will take the over on 5%

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

The bum is a Republican, yes. A man who campaigned saying one thing, then did another. The wholly-owned political puppet of the Koch Brothers, working only to try and pass the ALEC agenda. A sad man who, on the day a historic number of recall petitions were submitted against him, was in New York begging for more out-of-state money - half of Walker's financial support for his recall comes from out of town - from the former head of the disgraced AIG to support his recall fight.

Where does the money come from those that support the recall?

BTW- Firefighters union just announced that they will stand behind and support Govenor Walker

[wiphan]

[quote=Riot;832201]It's not a good thing to campaign on austerity, then go ahead and needlessly bust unions who have agreed to your austerity measures. Many, many Wisconsin citizens are that upset with this Governor and his legislature. Citizens have been awakened, and are standing up for owning their own democracy, taking it back from politicians.

[quote]

Actually I would like to annouce today that the Citizens of WI would like to recall the GIANTS! I do not like the result of the Packers/Giants game last Sunday. I would like to file a recall petition with the NFL and force them into another NFC Divisional Playoff game on the grounds that I am unhappy with the outcome and the fact that my team lost. When you see the recall petition please make sure you sign it as many times as you wish, have your children sign it (no need to worry if they are of voting age), etc so we make sure we can get enough signatures to force a new game so that we can get a different outcome.
Sincerely,

Packer Fans

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

I will take the over on 5%

Naw - be brave and pick a range No under-over.

It's recommended for any recall petition that you get 20-25% extra signatures to account for those proven invalid (see the Republican candidates not on the ballot in Virginia, for example, because they didn't do that).

They needed 520,000, they got just over a million. They vetted the signatures at collection, and by the orgs before they were turned into GAB.

The Scott Fitzgerald recall was done by a different person, on her own.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Where does the money come from those that support the recall?

BTW- Firefighters union just announced that they will stand behind and support Govenor Walker

People think the unions were behind the recall - they supported it, but not financially. Donations came from all across the country to support the recall. But they ARE stepping up financially in the election, of course.

You bring up the point of financial contributions: whose quid pro quo should Walker be beholden to? The Koch Brothers and AIG and ALEC, or the citizens of Wisconsin?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Naw - be brave and pick a range No under-over.

It's recommended for any recall petition that you get 20-25% extra signatures to account for those proven invalid (see the Republican candidates not on the ballot in Virginia, for example, because they didn't do that).

They needed 520,000, they got just over a million. They vetted the signatures at collection, and by the orgs before they were turned into GAB.

The Scott Fitzgerald recall was done by a different person, on her own.

Over 20% will be thrown out or disallowed. That is almost 7 times more than your highest figure that you believe will be thrown out

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Over 20% will be thrown out or disallowed. That is almost 7 times more than your highest figure that you believe will be thrown out

Okay. We'll see You are saying that over 200,000 signatures will be invalidated, but that the recall election will still occur. Good luck!

I say that only 10,000 to 30,000 signatures will be disallowed from the Walker petitions, no more than 50,000 max.

Dell? Nebrady? Care to step up?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Okay. We'll see You are saying that over 200,000 signatures will be invalidated, but that the recall election will still occur. Good luck!

I say that only 10,000 to 30,000 signatures will be disallowed from the Walker petitions, no more than 50,000 max.

Dell? Nebrady? Care to step up?

Would you like to sign my petition to Recall the GIANTS?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Would you like to sign my petition to Recall the GIANTS?

Their players union is still intact, isn't it?

I'm sorry to see that you do not apparently understand why the historic, massive recall of your governor was conducted. That's sad. It was not that Walker was elected. It's that he lied, and union-busted.

[Riot]

WASHINGTON -- The union representing NFL players spoke out Friday against a controversial right-to-work bill on the table in Indiana, arguing that the legislation is merely a "political ploy" that would drive down workers' wages if it became law.

"NFL players know what it means to fight for workers' rights, better pensions and health and safety in the workplace," the National Football League Players Association said in a statement. The right-to-work bill, the statement went on, is "not about jobs or rights, and it's the wrong priority for Indiana."

A union spokesperson could not immediately be reached for further comment.

The controversial bill in question would effectively turn Indiana into a "right-to-work" state, meaning workers there could not be required to pay unions dues at private companies as a condition of employment. Right-to-work laws are generally supported by business groups and opposed by labor unions, and there are now more than 20 right-to-work states in the U.S., mostly in the South and West.

The Indiana bill has broad support among the state's GOP majority in the General Assembly and Republican Gov. Mitch Daniels, but unions and labor groups have rolled out an advertising campaign to fight it. Business owners and their allies argue that employees shouldn't be forced to join unions, and they claim that right-to-work laws make states more attractive to companies. Those on the left tend to argue that right-to-work laws weaken collective bargaining and drive down wages, and that workers shouldn’t be allowed to benefit from such bargaining without paying dues.

The NFLPA cited a report by the liberal Economic Policy Institute that says the right-to-work bill would lower wages for both union and non-union workers in Indiana by about $1,500 annually. The bill would also make it more difficult for workers to secure health care and a pension, the report argued. (Labor groups often refer to right-to-work laws as "right to work for less.")

Noting that the upcoming Super Bowl will be hosted by Indianapolis, the union called on Indiana lawmakers to oppose the bill. "This Super Bowl should be about celebrating the best of what Indianapolis has to offer, not about legislation that hurts the people of Indiana," the union said.

The Indiana bill is part of the larger fight between GOP lawmakers and labor groups in states throughout the country in recent months. Right-to-work legislation was pushed in a handful of states last year, notably in New Hampshire, where union leaders cheered Democratic Gov. John Lynch's veto of a right-to-work bill passed by the GOP-controlled statehouse.

The NFLPA was recertified last year as the union for NFL players, and the group soon ratified a new contract with league owners and rejoined the AFL-CIO. The union's opposition to right-to-work legislation isn't its only stance endearing it to liberals these days: Its most recent collective bargaining agreement banned discrimination against players by management due to their sexual orientation.

First Posted: 1/6/12 01:24 PM ET Updated: 1/6/12 01:55 PM ET
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1189577.html

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Their players union is still intact, isn't it?

I'm sorry to see that you do not apparently understand why the historic, massive recall of your governor was conducted. That's sad. It was not that Walker was elected. It's that he lied, and union-busted.

Will it be historic when Walker wins AGAIN?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Will it be historic when Walker wins AGAIN?

Yes, if he wins again, it will be historic. He is only the third governor in the history of this country to undergo a recall election. The last two were recalled. So if Walker is not recalled, yes, it will be historic.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

A sad man who, on the day a historic number of recall petitions were submitted against him, was in New York begging for more out-of-state money - half of Walker's financial support for his recall comes from out of town .

So this is bad?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

People think the unions were behind the recall - they supported it, but not financially. Donations came from all across the country to support the recall.

But this is ok?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So this is bad?

Only when there is evidence that Walker serves his corporate masters by enacting their legislative agenda, in opposition to what his citizens tell him they want.

That kind of lying bull.s.h.i.t. gets you recalled. By twice the number of angry citizens needed to do so.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

WASHINGTON -- The union representing NFL players spoke out Friday against a controversial right-to-work bill on the table in Indiana, arguing that the legislation is merely a "political ploy" that would drive down workers' wages if it became law.

"NFL players know what it means to fight for workers' rights, better pensions and health and safety in the workplace," the National Football League Players Association said in a statement. The right-to-work bill, the statement went on, is "not about jobs or rights, and it's the wrong priority for Indiana."

A union spokesperson could not immediately be reached for further comment.

The controversial bill in question would effectively turn Indiana into a "right-to-work" state, meaning workers there could not be required to pay unions dues at private companies as a condition of employment. Right-to-work laws are generally supported by business groups and opposed by labor unions, and there are now more than 20 right-to-work states in the U.S., mostly in the South and West.

The Indiana bill has broad support among the state's GOP majority in the General Assembly and Republican Gov. Mitch Daniels, but unions and labor groups have rolled out an advertising campaign to fight it. Business owners and their allies argue that employees shouldn't be forced to join unions, and they claim that right-to-work laws make states more attractive to companies. Those on the left tend to argue that right-to-work laws weaken collective bargaining and drive down wages, and that workers shouldn’t be allowed to benefit from such bargaining without paying dues.

The NFLPA cited a report by the liberal Economic Policy Institute that says the right-to-work bill would lower wages for both union and non-union workers in Indiana by about $1,500 annually. The bill would also make it more difficult for workers to secure health care and a pension, the report argued. (Labor groups often refer to right-to-work laws as "right to work for less.")

Noting that the upcoming Super Bowl will be hosted by Indianapolis, the union called on Indiana lawmakers to oppose the bill. "This Super Bowl should be about celebrating the best of what Indianapolis has to offer, not about legislation that hurts the people of Indiana," the union said.

The Indiana bill is part of the larger fight between GOP lawmakers and labor groups in states throughout the country in recent months. Right-to-work legislation was pushed in a handful of states last year, notably in New Hampshire, where union leaders cheered Democratic Gov. John Lynch's veto of a right-to-work bill passed by the GOP-controlled statehouse.

The NFLPA was recertified last year as the union for NFL players, and the group soon ratified a new contract with league owners and rejoined the AFL-CIO. The union's opposition to right-to-work legislation isn't its only stance endearing it to liberals these days: Its most recent collective bargaining agreement banned discrimination against players by management due to their sexual orientation.

First Posted: 1/6/12 01:24 PM ET Updated: 1/6/12 01:55 PM ET
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1189577.html

Yeah that same NLFPA that had no problem shedding the union label when it served them in their battle with the NFL owners. A fight in which the players association had its goose cooked by the owners.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by wiphan

The people collecting these signatures had no boundaries and no ethics. They showed up at a local function where we took our kids to see Santa and his reindeer. You should have seen the looks they got. Fortunately they realized that no one wanted them there and they left within 20 mins.

Do you have a link for that?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan
The people collecting these signatures had no boundaries and no ethics. They showed up at a local function where we took our kids to see Santa and his reindeer. You should have seen the looks they got. Fortunately they realized that no one wanted them there and they left within 20 mins.

Try this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ7OR...eature=related

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Do you have a link for that?

Unlike Riot I actually live in the State of WI and don't just rely on the media for my information. I actually experience these things first hand. The recall signature collectors obviously were not very intelligent because they showed up in the Town of Delafield (quite wealthy community) where families were there to have their picture taken with Santa and his reindeer. You could also meet the reindeer. It is a nice idea and some good family time that is paid for and supported by the Chamber of Commerce. There is a time and place for everything and this was not a time to discuss politics. Unfortunately the democrats and union supporters do not understand this.

[Danzig]

http://news.yahoo.com/bid-unseat-wis...040348319.html

In bid to unseat Wisconsin governor, whither the challengers?By Brendan O'Brien | Reuters – 3 hrs ago

MILWAUKEE (Reuters) - Critics of Wisconsin's Governor Scott Walker showed on Tuesday how unpopular he is with many voters, filing more than 1 million signed petitions -- nearly twice the number needed -- to force the first-term Republican to defend himself in a special election.

On Wednesday, they faced what is likely to be a harder task: finding a Democrat who can beat the battle-tested 44-year-old.

"There is no single preeminent candidate," said Charles Franklin, a political scientist and visiting professor of law and public policy at Marquette University, said of the Democrats who might challenge Walker, who gained a national following in leading a successful push to curb Wisconsin's public unions.

Although some Democrats have hinted in recent weeks they might be interested in running against Walker in a recall, so far no one with a marquee name has committed to what is sure to be a bruising fight. No date has been set for the election.


and, further down:

"If Walker is reelected and Republicans are energized because of this, that will have an impact in the presidential race," Sabato said. "I bet if the White House had their druthers the recall would not be happening."


and this gem:

According to a Government Accountability Board report, processing recall petitions will cost the state more than $650,000. The total cost of recall elections for the state and municipalities may be more than $9 million, according to estimates from board officials.