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Old 02-04-2015, 06:58 AM
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Default 2/5-7 (CD): Kentucky Derby Future Wager (Pool 2)

Kentucky Derby Future Wager Pool 2 lineup

No., Horse, Trainer, Pool 1 odds, Pool 2 M/L

1. American Pharoah, B. Baffert, 12-1, 10-1
2. Carpe Diem, T. Pletcher, 15-1, 15-1
3. Competitive Edge, T. Pletcher, 48-1, 30-1
4. Daredevil, T. Pletcher, 48-1, 30-1
5. Dortmund, B. Baffert, 9-1, 12-1
6. El Kabeir, J. Terranova, 74-1, 20-1

7. Far Right, R. Moquett, 3-5(f), 50-1
8. Firing Line, S. Callaghan, 3-5(f), 30-1
9. Frosted, K. McLaughlin, 38-1, 30-1
10. Gorgeous Bird, I. Wilkes, 3-5(f), 50-1
11. Imperia, K. McLaughlin, 27-1, 30-1
12. International Star, M. Maker, 3-5(f), 50-1

13. Itsaknockout, T. Pletcher, 3-5(f), 50-1
14. J S Bach, T. Pletcher, 3-5(f), 30-1
15. Khozan, T. Pletcher, 3-5(f), 20-1
16. Lord Nelson, B. Baffert, 72-1, 30-1
17. Mr. Z, W. Lukas, 47-1, 50-1
18. Ocean Knight, K. McLaughlin, 3-5(f), 50-1

19. Ocho Ocho Ocho, J. Cassidy, 29-1, 30-1
20. Prospect Park, C. Sise, 3/5(f), 50-1
21. Texas Red, K. Desormeaux, 14-1, 15-1
22. The Great War, W. Ward, 72-1, 30-1
23. Upstart, R. Violette, 53-1, 12-1
24. Mutuel field (all others), n/a, 3-5, even

(f) – denotes Pool 1 field entry.
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Old 02-05-2015, 12:10 PM
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El Kabeir at 20-1 looks like decent value
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Old 02-05-2015, 02:19 PM
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El Kabeir at 20-1 looks like decent value
Did they change the wager so that these horses just have to start in the race?
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Old 02-05-2015, 02:23 PM
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Did they change the wager so that these horses just have to start in the race?
wait this isnt the wood memorial futures bet? lol

for me i just throw a few bucks on a few horses each pool and hope they make the gate. its bonus
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Old 02-05-2015, 03:13 PM
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Ocean Knight at 50/1 would be the best value there. But, I don't believe he stays at 50/1.
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Old 02-05-2015, 03:59 PM
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i think the dates are2/6 to 2/8
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Old 02-05-2015, 04:17 PM
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Gorgeous Bird at 50-1 ain't all that bad either
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Old 02-05-2015, 04:56 PM
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I think you are right Cassie. Ends Sun at like 6PM, 2/8/2015. Starts tomorrow 2/6/2015. Typo probably.
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Old 02-05-2015, 09:34 PM
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If any of u guys are betting on this is the Tomlinson rating for the distance going to scare u off? For instance the number for ocean knight isn't very high. What u guys think? For instance I lick imperia but his number isn't very high. Any thoughts are appreciated. Not looking to bet big just for fun and to follow a couple of horses
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Old 02-05-2015, 10:47 PM
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If any of u guys are betting on this is the Tomlinson rating for the distance going to scare u off? For instance the number for ocean knight isn't very high. What u guys think? For instance I lick imperia but his number isn't very high. Any thoughts are appreciated. Not looking to bet big just for fun and to follow a couple of horses
Seems like a router to me. I'd be more concerned about experience and ability.
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Old 02-05-2015, 11:00 PM
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If any of u guys are betting on this is the Tomlinson rating for the distance going to scare u off? For instance the number for ocean knight isn't very high. What u guys think? For instance I lick imperia but his number isn't very high. Any thoughts are appreciated. Not looking to bet big just for fun and to follow a couple of horses
Ocean Knight will get the Derby distance (Cuz I say so). Planning to key him as well as Texas Red and Prospect Park in exactas.I dont think u will get 50/1 on him ,but I will take it if I do. I do think that 50/1 or better will b had on Prospect Park and I will take some of that.
Going to avoid Dortmund,American Pharoah,Upstart,Frosted.May have developed too fast although Pharoah may have lucked out by missing BC Juvenile. Maybe the rest could ultimately pay dividends. Its all about value if u r going to bet the future pool, so I will include Mr. Z and Far Right due to ridiculous odds vs. potential.
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Old 02-06-2015, 01:03 AM
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50-1 on Prospect Park ? he'll be half that. that field he dusted included a hoss the boss loved, whose name escapes me at this time.
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I remember people used to go by Dosage and Dosage Index. Horses starting winning the derby without the numbers and then a year later the numbers fit. They had adjusted them.

I'm thinking I'll be lucky if 50% of my bets even RUN in the Derby. Last year
I only had 1 of 7 run.
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50-1 on Prospect Park ? he'll be half that. that field he dusted included a hoss the boss loved, whose name escapes me at this time.

Well 50/1 is my cutoff point in future betting. I passed on Ca Chrome at 30/1 last year(did key in exactas though)..That 30/1 sure looked good on Derby day though.Of course Cal Chrome had won a pair of CA bred stakes at this stage of the game.
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the hoss was named the Gomper. Like the Rolling Stones classic song Gomper. Brian Jones really shines, playing multiple instruments on the track. Awesome psychedelic stuff.
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I know that the usual time for the close of betting is 6pm, but I can't find that anywhere in this year's rules. Can anyone confirm?

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Live odds for Pool 2? Thanks
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Bogey, live odds are here:

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/racing-...l-2-final-odds
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I know that the usual time for the close of betting is 6pm, but I can't find that anywhere in this year's rules. Can anyone confirm?
Okay, I found a couple of sources (DRF and Forbes.com) that say betting ends at 6pm.

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Old 02-08-2015, 06:12 PM
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Final odds (or ought to be! it's 6:10)
Total Wagered: $340,125.84
Last Update: Feb 8, 2015 6:00:17 PM

1 American Pharoah
Trained by Bob Baffert
Mounted by TBA
10-1
M/L 10
$24,214.15

2 Carpe Diem
Trained by Todd Pletcher
Mounted by TBA
12-1
M/L 15
$21,104.80

3 Competitive Edge
Trained by Todd Pletcher
Mounted by TBA
37-1
M/L 30
$7,325.82

4 Daredevil
Trained by Todd Pletcher
Mounted by TBA
40-1
M/L 30
$6,770.16

5 Dortmund
Trained by Bob Baffert
Mounted by TBA
10-1
M/L 12
$23,922.87

6 El Kabeir
Trained by John Terranova, II
Mounted by TBA
39-1
M/L 20
$6,932.80

7 Far Right
Trained by Ron Moquett
Mounted by TBA
48-1
M/L 50
$5,659.69

8 Firing Line
Trained by Simon Callaghan
Mounted by TBA
35-1
M/L 30
$7,768.76

9 Frosted
Trained by Kiaran McLaughlin
Mounted by TBA
31-1
M/L 30
$8,691.29

10 Gorgeous Bird
Trained by Ian Wilkes
Mounted by TBA
32-1
M/L 50
$8,361.69

11 Imperia
Trained by Kiaran McLaughlin
Mounted by TBA
24-1
M/L 30
$11,138.90

12 International Star
Trained by Michael Maker
Mounted by TBA
44-1
M/L 50
$6,157.02

13 Itsaknockout
Trained by Todd Pletcher
Mounted by TBA
30-1
M/L 50
$8,781.54

14 J S Bach
Trained by Todd Pletcher
Mounted by TBA
69-1
M/L 30
$3,994.51

15 Khozan
Trained by Todd Pletcher
Mounted by TBA
25-1
M/L 20
$10,682.14

16 Lord Nelson
Trained by Bob Baffert
Mounted by TBA
41-1
M/L 30
$6,602.16

17 Mr. Z
Trained by D. Lukas
Mounted by TBA
44-1
M/L 50
$6,216.90

18 Ocean Knight
Trained by Kiaran McLaughlin
Mounted by TBA
18-1
M/L 50
$14,333.51

19 Ocho Ocho Ocho
Trained by James Cassidy
Mounted by TBA
26-1
M/L 30
$10,071.17

20 Prospect Park
Trained by Clifford Sise, Jr.
Mounted by TBA
35-1
M/L 50
$7,756.46

21 Texas Red
Trained by J. Desormeaux
Mounted by TBA
9-1
M/L 15
$27,752.91

22 The Great War
Trained by Wesley Ward
Mounted by TBA
40-1
M/L 30
$6,695.92

23 Upstart
Trained by Richard Violette, Jr.
Mounted by TBA
12-1
M/L 12
$20,279.14

24 All Others
Trained by Not Applicable
Mounted by Not Applicable
5-2
M/L 1
$78,911.53
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