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07-21-2006, 09:42 AM
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To pedigreeann
Pedigreeann,
I was told you are the one about this issue! Can you help me answer the question I put on this topic? http://derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2183 Thank you! 
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07-21-2006, 10:01 AM
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Miss Ann,
Your attention is needed on the Best Broodmares thread. You've got some 'splaining to do, young lady. Last edited by Bold Brooklynite : 07-21-2006 at 10:16 AM.
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07-21-2006, 10:21 AM
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FMC,
The advice you were given on the other thread was quite good. Both stallions were quality race horses from good families ... but both have been around for a while as stallions ... and their records aren't particularly distinguished. Both broodmares haven't done much so far ... and Reforce is a little on the old side. Most broodmares produce their best runners with their first or second foal ... although there are some dramatic exceptions. You were advised that the colt has slightly better bloodlines ... and I agree. He is linebred to Nasrullah ... which may not mean much these days ... but it does offer some hope. The best thing to do is speak to someone who is a conformation expert ... have the expert look at the yearlings as individuals ... and go by what he/she says. The bloodlines alone aren't anything special. Last edited by Bold Brooklynite : 07-21-2006 at 10:24 AM.
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07-21-2006, 10:52 AM
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Okay, I've been out of town helping my 86yo mom for a week and am now getting caught up with things. Can't find every thread posted in the meantime.
Blush Rambler was a good runner in Europe (SW, G1-placed), well-bred, and has been a top sire in Brasil (a Derby winner plus other SWs). His damsireTumble Lark made a huge impact in Brasil, with champions like Dark Brown and Big Lark. He was a US-bred, too, by turf champ T. V. Lark. The sires on down the damline - Henri le Balafre and Locris and Sunny Boy - were top runners in France and influential sires in Brasil. And of course the family traces to Emocion, winner of both of the Brasilian Oaks races (Gavea and Cidade Jardim), a full sister to champion Emerson (classic sire in France), and dam of Embuche, one of the greatest mares in Brazilian racing history; another daughter of Emocion went to Argentina and produced at G1 winner and the second dam of current star Latency. The colt's third dam Emigrette was a full sister to Emerald Hill, another dual Oaks winner who is on the same list with Embuche. The most iintriguing thing about the colt's pedigree (to the pedigree geek) is the inbreeding to the mare Tumbling, dam of Tumble Lark and third dam of Alleged, damsire of Blush Rambler. Reinforces the distance/turfiness of the pedigree. Filly later. Last edited by Pedigree Ann : 07-21-2006 at 10:59 AM.
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07-21-2006, 11:02 AM
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told you she was the one to talk to.
hope you've been well Ann Still have Red Down South in Stable mail lol
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07-21-2006, 11:14 AM
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07-21-2006, 11:50 AM
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07-21-2006, 11:44 AM
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Stallion statistics from Brasil tend to be segregated by track; when I pulled up this year's statistics from Sao Paolo (Cidade Jardim), at the top of the sire's list was Romarin and at the the top of the sires of broodmares list was Minstrel Glory. Oddly enough, neither is in the top twenty at Rio (Gavea). Still, it is an indication of quality. You may not recall Romarin as a top turf miler (8f-9f) in this country in the mid-1990s; won the Early TImes Classic on Derby Day, etc. But he was also second in the Derby Paulista at 12f back home.
Minstrel Glory was not that good a runner, probably had soundness problems since he made only 11 starts in 3 years of racing. Had two wins and a 2nd in the Westchester H (G3) at Aqueduct. He sired some decent runners but seems to be better as a sire of dams. I don't have as much data about Uruguayan bloodlines as I do Brasilian ones; this female side is a lot Uruguayan and it doesn't tie in to any of the classic winners I have catalogued. The sire of the second dam Heathen stood in Uruguay and got the top horse Hampstead before being exported to Brasil. The sire of the second dam Snow Puppet was a full brother to a local Triple Crown winner at La Plata in Argentina named Snow Gambler - the Snow Cat over Claro cross was a really potent one. The next dam was by Granado, who is unfamiliar to me, but his sire Uranio I know as an excellent classic sire, as was Ruler, the sire of the next dam. All things considered, I would say that this would be more of a miler pedigree. I would agree that this pedigree is a bit 'lighter' in quality, espeically on the female side, than the colt's.
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