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Old 04-29-2009, 10:37 AM
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11TH (6:24) Kentucky Derby Presented by Yum! Brands (G1)

1 1/4 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $2,000,000

1 West Side Bernie (Kelly Breen/Stewart Elliott) 30-1
2 Musket Man (Derek Ryan/Eibar Coa) 20-1
3 Mr. Hot Stuff (Eoin Harty/John Velazquez) 30-1
4 Advice (Todd Pletcher/Rene Douglas) 30-1
5 Hold Me Back (Bill Mott/Kent Desormeaux) 15-1
6 Friesan Fire (Larry Jones/Gabriel Saez) 5-1
7 Papa Clem (Gary Stute/Rafael Bejarano) 20-1
8 Mine That Bird (Bennie Woolley/Calvin Borel) 50-1
9 Join in the Dance (Todd Pletcher/Chris DeCarlo) 50-1
10 Regal Ransom (Saeed bin Suroor/Alan Garcia) 30-1
11 Chocolate Candy (Jerry Hollendorfer/Mike Smith) 20-1
12 General Quarters (Tom McCarthy/Julien Leparoux) 20-1
13 I Want Revenge (Jeff Mullins/Joe Talamo) 3-1
14 Atomic Rain (Kelly Breen/Joe Bravo) 50-1
15 Dunkirk (Todd Pletcher/Edgar Prado) 4-1
16 Pioneerof the Nile (Bob Baffert/Garrett Gomez) 4-1
17 Summer Bird (Tim Ice/Chris Rosier) 50-1
18 Nowhere to Hide (Nick Zito/Shaun Bridgmohan) 50-1
19 Desert Party (Saeed bin Suroor/Ramon Dominguez) 15-1
20 Flying Private (D. Wayne Lukas/Robby Albarado) 50-1

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Old 04-29-2009, 10:40 AM
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Want Revenge, trained by Jeff Mullins, will be the 3-1 morning line favorite for Saturday's Kentucky Derby.
Churchill Downs oddsmaker Mike Battaglia set the odds this morning before the draw at noon and is not expected to make substantial changes after the post positions are set.

Horse Jockey Trainer Odds
Advice N/A Todd Pletcher 30-1
Atomic Rain Joe Bravo Kelly Breen 50-1
Chocolate Candy Mike Smith Jerry Hollendorfer 42-1
Desert Party Ramon Dominguez Saeed bin Suroor 15-1
Dunkirk Edgar Prado Todd Pletcher 4-1
Flying Private Robby Albarado D. Wayne Lukas 50-1
Friesan Fire Gabriel Saez J. Larry Jones 5-1
General Quarters Julien Leparoux Tom McCarthy 20-1
Hold Me Back Kent Desormeaux Bill Mott 15-1
I Want Revenge Joe Talamo Jeff Mullins 3-1
Join in the Dance N/A Todd Pletcher 50-1
Mine That Bird Calvin Borel Bennie Woolley Jr. 50-1
Mr. Hot Stuff N/A Eoin Harty 30-1
Musket Man Eibar Coa Derek Ryan 20-1
Nowhere to Hide N/A Nick Zito 50-1
Papa Clem Rafael Bejarano Gary Stute 20-1
Pioneerof the Nile Garrett Gomez Bob Baffert 9-2
Regal Ransom Alan Garcia Saeed bin Suroor 30-1
Summer Bird Chris Rosier Tim Ice 50-1
West Side Bernie Stewart Elliott Kelly Breen 30-1
I have never seen a 42/1 morning line....Battaglia is working overtime.
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:14 AM
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I have never seen a 42/1 morning line....Battaglia is working overtime.
That absolute pig of Zito's is 50-1 and Chocolate Candy is 42-1 !!!!!! That is insane.
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:31 AM
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That absolute pig of Zito's is 50-1 and Chocolate Candy is 42-1 !!!!!! That is insane.
I think it was meant to be 12/1.
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:32 AM
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That absolute pig of Zito's is 50-1 and Chocolate Candy is 42-1 !!!!!! That is insane.

That's a must-be mistake.
He's been 15-1 on most people's probable list, and I think with Quality Road out, I'd be lucky to get that(my wagers will revolve around Choco)
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:34 AM
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he is 20-1
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:07 PM
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Its a good thing Battaglia is a better M/L oddsmaker than track announcer. Or maybe what I meant to say was the other way around? Hmmmm......no he way sucks at both.
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:27 PM
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That absolute pig of Zito's is 50-1 and Chocolate Candy is 42-1 !!!!!! That is insane.
Zitos pigs have waddled their way into the Super and crushed my dreams all too often.
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Old 04-29-2009, 02:20 PM
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Zitos pigs have waddled their way into the Super and crushed my dreams all too often.
I'm sure if the other 16 horses have to avoid another road bump like him and fall, he'll hit the super, he would have his hands full with the lead pony.
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Old 04-29-2009, 10:45 PM
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Only a bad trip/traffic problems would prevent I Want Revenge from winning. Hold me Back for the place spot
I would certainly worry about WestSide Bernie, peaking at the right time.
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Old 04-30-2009, 12:05 PM
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I have never seen a 42/1 morning line....Battaglia is working overtime.
LOL, I guess he likes him a little bit.
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Old 04-29-2009, 10:44 AM
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Chocolate Candy fans have to love that price
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Old 04-29-2009, 10:51 AM
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Chocolate Candy fans have to love that price
has to be a typo... probably 20:1


I was anticipating 15:1 - 20:1 ML for him
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Old 04-29-2009, 12:40 PM
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general quarters 20-1. if i was at the track, that would be one horse i would seriously consider betting. musket man is another.
but who i really would put a couple bucks on, just because?


dwl and flying private at 50-1.
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Old 05-02-2009, 02:17 AM
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My daughter is a good capper but not at all into horseracing. She is in law school,so of course,she needs money. I told her to cap the derby & I would send her money. She is oblivoius to any of the info & hype we thrive on. This is what she sent:

Andrea’s 135th Kentucky Derby Picks
v The Bottom Line
Ø Pioneer of the Nile
Ø Papa Clem
Ø Dunkirk (my best long shot)

v Definite Eliminations Based on Lifetime Record and Who Beat Who Analysis
§ Westside Bernie
§ Mr. Hot Stuff
§ Join in the Dance
§ Atomic Rain
§ Summer Bird
§ Nowhere to Hide
§ Flying Private
v Eliminations based on the same but weak performances as opposed to poor performances
§ Hold Me Back
§ Advice
v Somewhere in the Middle all have a real shot based on those same factors
§ Mine that Bird
§ Regal Ransom
§ Chocolate Candy
§ General Quarters
§ I want Revenge
§ Dunkirk
§ Desert Party
§ Musket Man
v Outstanding based on same factors
§ Pioneer the Nile
§ Fresian Fire
§ Papa Clem
v Special Notes About Non-Eliminated Horses
§ Pioneer the Nile looks almost unbeatable he will certainly be in the money absent exigent circumstances
§ Desert Party and Regal Ransom seem fairly evenly matched and have both beaten one another
§ Likewise Musket Man and General Quarters seem fairly evenly matched and have both beaten one another
§ Desert Party seems a bit weaker than the others to me for some reason
v Horses who have made big bucks
§ Regal Ransom (no wonder the name), Pioneer of the Nile, Papa Clem, and I want Revenge…..
§ I was surprised that Dunkirk made so little money.
v Based on the other information, blood, and jockeys my picks are:
§ Top 3
¨ Pioneer of the Nile
§ Sire: Empire Maker (Unbridled)
¨ Papa Clem
§ Sire: Smart Strike (Mr. Prospector)
¨ Dunkirk (my best long shot)
§ Sire: Unbridled Song (Unbridled)
§ Dam: Secret Status (A.P. Indy)
§ Other Possibles
¨ Friesian Fire (was one of my original top three but I feel wishy washy)
§ Sire: A.P. Indy (Seattle Slew)
¨ Regal Ransom (Good long-shot?)
¨ I Want Revenge
§ Sire: Stephen Got Even (A.P. Indy)
¨ General Quarters
§ Sire: Sky Mesa (Pulpit)
§ Dam: Ecology (Unbridled Song)
§ Others that cannot be eliminated
¨ Chocolate Candy
§ Dam: Crownett (Seattle Slew)
¨ Musket Man
§ Yonaguska (Cherokee Run)
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Old 05-02-2009, 05:41 AM
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REGAL RANSOM (#10) Garcia / bin Suroor 30-1
When my original pick declared from the race, I decided to go with a speed horse that is bred with stamina and landed on this longshot; upset his better regarded stablemate in the UAE Derby and can repeat that performance at huge odds; hoping he has a clear lead into the stretch and it’s to the windows!

I WANT REVENGE (#13) Talamo / Mullins 3-1
The logical “horse to beat” off his two efforts at Aqueduct after shipping from the west coast; overcame a lot of trouble in his brilliant Wood Memorial victory; has all the makings of a Derby winner….if you like a short price.

HOLD ME BACK (#5) Desormeaux / Mott 15-1
This well bred closer ran good in his last two starts (both on synthetic surfaces); one dirt try wasn’t that good though; at this price, looks better than other synthetic horses who have never raced on the “real” stuff.

FRIESAN FIRE (#6) Saez / Jones 5-1
Swept the Fairgrounds series of three year old races this year; hasn’t raced in seven weeks though, which could be a concern; may get overlooked in the wagering and does move up on a wet track.

MR. HOT STUFF (#3) Velazquez / Harty 30-1
This full brother to last year’s runner; Colonel John has no early foot & will be rallying late; could be a huge price if the race falls apart late; solid longshot play.
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REGAL RANSOM (#10) Garcia / bin Suroor 30-1
When my original pick declared from the race, I decided to go with a speed horse that is bred with stamina and landed on this longshot; upset his better regarded stablemate in the UAE Derby and can repeat that performance at huge odds; hoping he has a clear lead into the stretch and it’s to the windows!

I WANT REVENGE (#13) Talamo / Mullins 3-1
The logical “horse to beat” off his two efforts at Aqueduct after shipping from the west coast; overcame a lot of trouble in his brilliant Wood Memorial victory; has all the makings of a Derby winner….if you like a short price.

HOLD ME BACK (#5) Desormeaux / Mott 15-1
This well bred closer ran good in his last two starts (both on synthetic surfaces); one dirt try wasn’t that good though; at this price, looks better than other synthetic horses who have never raced on the “real” stuff.

FRIESAN FIRE (#6) Saez / Jones 5-1
Swept the Fairgrounds series of three year old races this year; hasn’t raced in seven weeks though, which could be a concern; may get overlooked in the wagering and does move up on a wet track.

MR. HOT STUFF (#3) Velazquez / Harty 30-1
This full brother to last year’s runner; Colonel John has no early foot & will be rallying late; could be a huge price if the race falls apart late; solid longshot play.
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I am on the same five and plan to add Desest Party and Chocolate Candy in an Exacta Box.

Best of luck to all playing and hope all horses and jocks return safe.
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Old 05-02-2009, 08:46 AM
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Just heading to the track now

Desert Party

Dunkirk

Papi Clem

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Old 05-02-2009, 03:37 PM
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Here were my picks from this morning for the pick 3 ending with the derby.

3,7,9 / 3,4,6,9 / 5,6,10,11,15,19
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I am on the same five and plan to add Desest Party and Chocolate Candy in an Exacta Box.

Best of luck to all playing and hope all horses and jocks return safe.

Edit: With I Want Revenge out, Pioneer is now on my ticket:

Exacta Box

Mr Hot Stuff
Hold Me Back
Friesan Fire
Regal Ransom
Chocolate Candy
Pioneer of the Nile
Desert Party
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