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08-25-2007, 03:56 PM
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People (jockeys included) tend to think the lesser talented horses don't matter. The lesser talented ones account for much more than 50% of racing world wide, are there news stories when a claimer breaks down on the track? No. Is there when a stakes performer suffers the same fate? You bet there is. If that jerk Baze had done the same on a great, popular horse there would be an outrage, and no one can doubt that. The status of the horse is a big point here, but it shouldn't be. No matter how talented the horse is, they are still living animals doing what they are bred to do to the best of their ability. He is an experienced jockey, and if he didn't realisethe horse had 'gone wrong' he shouldn't be riding.
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08-25-2007, 04:03 PM
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I just watched the replay, and I find it hard to believe that a jockey with so much experience couldn't tell that the horse he was on was in some sort of distress. I want to give Baze the benefit of the doubt, but I am having a hard time doing that. I think he got distracted by the wire. He knew something went wrong, but the horse changed leads and he thought that he could keep him together for another 50 yards. When really the horse should have been pulled up immediatley, reguardless of the odds or track position.
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08-25-2007, 04:07 PM
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Agreed. Like with so many people in this sport, greed got the better of him in my opinion.
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08-25-2007, 04:34 PM
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said he thought Imperial Eyes went lame initially, but when the gelding started running again, he thought he had misjudged what happened. doesn't baze deserve the benefit of the doubt? the owners are supporting him, doesn't that matter? with bazes long career--has their been any question of him in the past?
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08-25-2007, 04:36 PM
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08-25-2007, 04:37 PM
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What a pathetic excuse from a greedy man.
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08-25-2007, 04:41 PM
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08-25-2007, 04:43 PM
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I didn't have to watch replays we slo-mo'd it on the DVR when it happened.
Frankly I found it disturbing from as seasoned a rider as Russel Baze. The horse stumbles and then he does right himself but in slo-mo it is obvious something has gone very wrong. I might have felt a little differently if he hand rode him to the wire to get him out of the oncoming horses in order to offset further catastrophe. And it was obvious the horse was going to go down in the gallop out. I feel strongly there should be some accountability for this mis-judgement by a jockey that has rode as many mounts as Russel Baze. Although I think the animal cruelty is a bit much certainly there is conduct unprofessional and misuse of the whip. However, I don't think Russel Baze should be crucified for bad judgement at 35 mph when you have seconds to make a decision, but something should happen.
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08-25-2007, 04:55 PM
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well, it's in front of the stewards, a decision pending. they had a hearing this morning, and no word when a decision will be made. i hope whatever they decide is fair. if he was found in the wrong, then yes, he should get the proper punishment.
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08-25-2007, 04:56 PM
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I have no ideas as to who the owners are or what they are like, but what i will say is that if that happened over here Baze would be hung out to dry by the media. When a horse takes a really bad step like that, and then throws it's head up in the air (as has been said in this thread) you don't need to have 3 days experience in the saddle to know that something very wrong is up with the horse let alone many years of experience. What people are trying to say is that if this was a popular stakes performer, people wouldn't be saying move on and people certainly wouldn't be saying "oh it wasn't his fault"...... that is the part that disgusts me more than anything.
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08-25-2007, 05:02 PM
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but like i said, if they find he was wrong, then yes he should be punished. i'm just not going to say that he did wrong, going by what he and the shermans had to say. it's not for me to say. the stewards met with him, and we'll know soon enough what they found.
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08-25-2007, 05:02 PM
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If you are trading for a company on the stock markets and you lose a company thousands because you didn't make the right split second decision you get crucified for it. Jockeys should know when a horse has gone wrong and they should know what to do when it's happened.
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08-25-2007, 07:12 PM
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I wonder what the fallout would have been if it was any other jockey in the colony. I feel that because it is Russell Baze, that at this point it seems that he is getting a pass from a lot of people. We will see what the stewards say. That whole keep him together to the wire comment bothers me more and more. He never stopped driving that horse, and then when the horse was about to stagger across the wire he gave him the whip again. The more times I watch it, the worse it gets. If he really wasn't sure about the horse's condition, why didn't he just take him in hand after he veered out? He still had a 5 length lead. If he just took a bad step and was ok, he probably would have still held on to win. We already know the other scenario. The horse deserved better, gave his life to try to win an 8K claiming race. As far as Sherman goes, maybe he feels that if he hangs Baze out in the media he will lose the services of the top jockey out there. As far as the owners go, I have my own ideas. But I could also be way off base with those too.
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08-25-2007, 07:57 PM
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From DRF..... Baze questioned in whip incident By CHUCK DYBDAL SAN MATEO, Calif. - Jockey Russell Baze met with Bay Meadows stewards for 2 1/2 hours Saturday to answer charges against him arising from Thursday's first race, when Baze struck Imperial Eyes twice with his whip after the horse broke down. Steward Darrell McHargue said Saturday afternoon that he and the other stewards were "in the process of deliberating their decison." Stewards viewed films of the incident with Baze and his attorney, Brian Pitnick, a trainer in Northern California. Also testifying at the hearing were investigators from the California Horse Racing Board, assistant trainer Steve Sherman, who saddled the ill-fated Imperial Eyes, and his veterinarian, Dr. William Grantham. "I really don't want to comment until the ruling, but we were able to present our side," Baze said. The stewards have charged Baze, a 49-year-old Hall of Fame rider, with misuse of his whip, conduct detrimental to horse racing, and animal cruelty. Imperial Eyes, the 3-5 favorite in an $8,000 maiden claiming race at one mile, had opened a seven-length lead in the lane before breaking down inside the sixteenth pole. After taking a bad step, Imperial Eyes seemed to right himself. He switched leads and then broke down just as Baze hit him with his whip. Baze then hit him a second time. Despite the injury, Imperial Eyes held on to finish second. Imperial Eyes suffered a condylar fracture of the cannon bone above the ankle in his left front leg. He walked into the van that took him to the receiving barn. Sherman and Dr. Grantham were discussing the possibility of surgery when Imperial Eyes went into distress and was euthanized. The case has attracted national attention. Jerry Lynn Hunter, Bay Meadows stable superintendent, said the track began receiving e-mails expressing outrage immediately after the race. Sherman, who saddled Imperial Eyes for his father, Art, said neither he nor his father faulted Baze. "I think Russell's getting a really bad rap," Steve Sherman said. "In my opinion and my dad's opinion, he did nothing wrong." Other trainers and jockeys, though, have been critical of Baze's whipping the horse after he appeared to be injured. Sherman recommended that critics of Baze's ride view the entire incident and not merely the clip of Baze applying the whip as Imperial Eyes broke down. "When he took a bad step, Russell pulled up, but then he seemed to re-gather himself. When he took off again, Russell hit him with his whip just as he broke down," Sherman said.
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08-25-2007, 11:34 PM
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whoever said "if you can't make a split second decision, you're not right for the job" is crazy. Try telling me Baze is not right for the job. This thread is crazy!!! You think Baze really cared that much about winning this 8 K claiming race, I doubt it. And, if Baze knew something was wrong with the horse, why would he ride the horse out and take the chance of putting himself in danger?
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08-26-2007, 03:16 AM
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 If Baze didn't know something was wrong when the horse took a very bad step and threw it's head up in the air, then he really shouldn't be a jockey, that is their job, to ride to the best of their ability and limit injury to themselves and the horses to a bare minimum. In my opinion, he has failed on both counts. If he was any sort of horseman at all, he would have at least stopped riding. I also agree about the comment made about the jockey's reputation. It works in the opposte way to the horse's ability which i duscussed in a previous post. If this had been a lesser known jockey, i'm quite certain he would have been slaughtered for his actions. It's the same over here. Horse Racing is so stuck up that it often cannot tell the difference between right and wrong.
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08-26-2007, 09:21 AM
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Rabble rabble rabble!!!!!!!!
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And as MMSC said if it was a G1 or stakes race from say Saratoga or televised on ESPN there would be a much bigger outcry. Also noted this from the DRF article: "Other trainers and jockeys, though, have been critical of Baze's whipping the horse after he appeared to be injured." It's in the stewards hands now, hoping there will be some kind of strong sanctions imposed.
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However I disagree with your analogy. Until stock traders are riding horses at 35 mph, and have to take into consideration what an animal underneath might do with other 1000+ lb. animals coming at them it really doesn't apply.
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