9/26 (SA): Pharoah, Rodeo Dr. (G1's), Awesome Again, Chandelier (G2's)

[Kasept]

[Kasept]

[Alabama Stakes]

Improbable will drown Maximum Security. Will he be favored to do it ?

[cakes44]

No, and no.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by cakes44

No, and no.

Yes and no

[Dahoss]

Obviously he was never going to be favored but that was a big effort. If he handles Keeneland look out because his last 3 show him to be the best dirt horse in the country

[cakes44]

MS never looked like a winner at any point in the race.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Obviously he was never going to be favored but that was a big effort. If he handles Keeneland look out because his last 3 show him to be the best dirt horse in the country

After that race at Saratoga it was obvious who the best dirt hoss in the country was. Max Security should not have been favored over him. He was life and death 2 back and best weak field last time..

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

After that race at Saratoga it was obvious who the best dirt hoss in the country was. Max Security should not have been favored over him. He was life and death 2 back and best weak field last time..

To be fair Tom’s d’Etat stumbled pretty badly in Whitney, which certainly helped Improbable, no? Improbable ran though and he’s run very well all year.

I’m just saying, given that Maximum Security was in the race Improbable was never going to be favored, despite you thinking he should have been.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

To be fair Tom’s d’Etat stumbled pretty badly in Whitney, which certainly helped Improbable, no? Improbable ran though and he’s run very well all year.

I’m just saying, given that Maximum Security was in the race Improbable was never going to be favored, despite you thinking he should have been.

Obviously Maximum Security was going to be favored, but I think we would all agree it should have been MUCH closer, and we also probably agree it isn't clear Improbable ( even before the race ) should have been favored. Maximum Security was overbet based a lot on form for a trainer indicted for using performance enhancing drugs, but Improbable's last two races were probably better, though your points about the Whitney aren't unfair at all.

Isn't the question now whether or not we have seen Maximum Security's final race?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Obviously Maximum Security was going to be favored, but I think we would all agree it should have been MUCH closer, and we also probably agree it isn't clear Improbable ( even before the race ) should have been favored. Maximum Security was overbet based a lot on form for a trainer indicted for using performance enhancing drugs, but Improbable's last two races were probably better, though your points about the Whitney aren't unfair at all.

Isn't the question now whether or not we have seen Maximum Security's final race?

It should have been closer for sure and I don’t disagree with you (or Alabama Stakes) that maybe he should have been favored.

I just think any race Maximum Security shows up in....he’s going to be the favorite. I hope they send him to the Classic because I think he’s toast, but I would also not be surprised if he’s retired in the next few days.

[Alabama Stakes]

He seemed to fight on hard for second. Improbable is just way better right now.
9/5 was enormous. I thought he’d be 4/5 and Max even money. Cold double payed $18 too although the last winner almost jumped the rail 5 in front and barely held.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

He seemed to fight on hard for second. Improbable is just way better right now.
9/5 was enormous. I thought he’d be 4/5 and Max even money. Cold double payed $18 too although the last winner almost jumped the rail 5 in front and barely held.

I’d keep an eye on the 3 going forward from the last yesterday. Not one of Drayden Van Dyke’s better efforts.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

It should have been closer for sure and I don’t disagree with you (or Alabama Stakes) that maybe he should have been favored.

I just think any race Maximum Security shows up in....he’s going to be the favorite. I hope they send him to the Classic because I think he’s toast, but I would also not be surprised if he’s retired in the next few days.

He won't be favored in the Classic:-)

I totally agree that he was going to be favored, but I also thought the odds would be close to what Dan said, with no more than 40 cents to the dollar separating them. I was wrong.