So..no more free speech? - Page 2

Danzig · #21 09-28-2008, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Posted it. She did a mock of the couric interview.

You didnt miss much last night if you mean the georgia-bama game. Scare was not indicative of the route. this Bama team is really good.

yeah, i just watched it. hilarious. i know for the last few years snl hasn't been as good (but then, was it ever as good as the 'old days'?) but tina fey was always a bright spot on that show.

they have a pick em contest in the paper here, and i went with alabama-a lot of people, including my son, told me i was nuts. but i have all the games right so far, so who knows?
would love to get tix to the lsu/bama game, but i don't think it's gonna happen.

ArlJim78 · #22 09-28-2008, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, i did. this thing is made out to be a big deal, but i don't know what the deal IS.

the deal is that according to a Missouri news station report, the Obama campaign has asked Missouri law inforcement to target anyone who lies about Obama. They're calling them the Obama Truth Squads.
http://www.kmov.com/video/index.html?nvid=285793&shu=1

the video shows a couple of prosecutors who claim to be protecting Missourians from false claims. I guess they feel that they are the final arbiters of the truth. is this what people elect district attorneys and sheriffs, to do?

it offensive and is reminiscient of a police state, trying to intimidate and put a chill on dissenters. use your campaign hacks or phony purveyors of truth like factcheck.org if you want to spread your version of the truth, but to preemptively enlist law enforcement to stifle opposing views! what are we Nazi Germany?

no problem, this is all part of the politics of hope and change.

dalakhani · #23 09-28-2008, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

the deal is that according to a Missouri news station report, the Obama campaign has asked Missouri law inforcement to target anyone who lies about Obama. They're calling them the Obama Truth Squads.
http://www.kmov.com/video/index.html?nvid=285793&shu=1

the video shows a couple of prosecutors who claim to be protecting Missourians from false claims. I guess they feel that they are the final arbiters of the truth. is this what people elect district attorneys and sheriffs, to do?

it offensive and is reminiscient of a police state, trying to intimidate and put a chill on dissenters. use your campaign hacks or phony purveyors of truth like factcheck.org if you want to spread your version of the truth, but to preemptively enlist law enforcement to stifle opposing views! what are we Nazi Germany?

no problem, this is all part of the politics of hope and change.

Well thank God we have the patriot act and illegal wiretapping to show Obama where to find the dissenters.

Its fitting that a campaign of proven liars would actually want a situation where lying can go on running unchecked.

But the funniest thing of all? Last I checked, St Louis is in Missouri and i dont need Ms. Palin to give me a geography lessson either because my sister lives there. Why is the mayor of St Louis supporting this? Wny is the DA? And if this is somehow unconstitutional, why can't THE GOVERNOR who wrote the press release do something about it?

Where is McCain this weekend by the way?

dalakhani · #24 09-28-2008, 12:32 PM

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/...aunches_2.html

#25 09-28-2008, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

True. I agree. Geeker has a different opinion and no one is calling him dumb. GPK has a difference of a opinion and no one is calling him dumb. So does Mort and so do others.

What exactly does mort believe...?

im givin mort a fat pitch to hit, can he connect? can there possibly be any substance? i say he stays within his world of inferior posters

#26 09-28-2008, 01:28 PM

This has been one of the cleaner campaigns imo.

What does bug me about Democrats is that they seem
to have a penchant for some sort of mental superiority
complex, and this overboard self-righteousness.

And Republicans consistently stick to the tired theme
that throwing money at something does not solve problems.
Yet they throw a billion dollars into a brand new bomber
that crashes and think nothing of it.
If the word Tax did not exist, the platform would be very stark.

geeker2 · #27 09-28-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

True. I agree. Geeker has a different opinion and no one is calling him dumb. GPK has a difference of a opinion and no one is calling him dumb. So does Mort and so do others.

Posting a press release by a hardcore republican governor with unsubstantiated accusations and trying to pass them off as some sort of fact is indeed dumb and adds less to the debate than the insults. We have a body of work from old timmi g that could go ten pages of dumb things.

Debate requires points supported by facts from each side. With Timmi you dont get that so I choose to have fun with him.

Kev we are on a roll!

but then again no one is calling us smart either

#28 09-28-2008, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2

Kev we are on a roll!

but then again no one is calling us smart either

You are Republicans so you are not allowed to be.
Those are the rules.
As set by Democrats.

dalakhani · #29 09-28-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

You are Republicans so you are not allowed to be.
Those are the rules.
As set by Democrats.

this is accurate.

#30 09-28-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Who said that?

Me.

#31 09-28-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You know what I'm saying.

Let me ask you, would you disagree with the assessment that Dimmy has said some really dumb things on here lately?

He has not presented us with very good sources of information
with the links. But at least he puts something up.

dalakhani · #32 09-28-2008, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

He has not presented us with very good sources of information
with the links. But at least he puts something up.

How about the claim that the holocaust had nothing to do with religion?

#33 09-28-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

How about the claim that the holocaust had nothing to do with religion?

Well it had a lot to do with finding a
convenient(sp?) scapegoat in a country
that was severely ecomonically depressed.
Jews had assimilated very well into German
society and were successful. And easy targets.

I dont think Hitler invented the final solution to
punish Jews for their refusal to consider Jesus Christ
as the messiah.

dalakhani · #34 09-28-2008, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Well it had a lot to do with finding a
convenient(sp?) scapegoat in a country
that was severely ecomonically depressed.
Jews had assimilated very well into German
society and were successful. And easy targets.

I dont think Hitler invented the final solution to
punish Jews for their refusal to consider Jesus Christ
as the messiah.

Thats not the point. The fact that they were persecuted because they were JEWISH would mean that religion was inolved.

You can't seperate it...no matter how much you try to play the scholarly devil's advocate.

#35 09-28-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

PG1985/jcs1105/hrfan puts something up too. So what?

I just think if you are going to preach to people and act like you have it all figured out. Then maybe you should present your case a lot better. He doesn't, so he gets flack. And he gives it right back.

There can be no denying he has made some really dumb comments the last few weeks. I understand you not wanting to agree, but if you are going to insist on butting in, can you at least be honest and not skate around stuff. Say what's on your mind. Don't pussyfoot around and try and be clever. It doesn't work.

There is no attempt to be clever whatsoever.
So you disagree with my holocaust assessment.
Tell me why?

Maybe its cause my Dad was a lawyer. I see holes
in both sides. Ask me a question... I have never shirked
at giving at an opinion. And I really dont feel totally at ease
really thinking people are jerks unless I have met them.
I have met no one on this internet board.
You actually may not be a jerk at all.

#36 09-28-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Thats not the point. The fact that they were persecuted because they were JEWISH would mean that religion was inolved.

You can't seperate it...no matter how much you try to play the scholarly devil's advocate.

Many people of the Jewish persuasion would tell you its a culture, more than a religion. And Jews were not the only culture persecuted by Hitler in a systematic manner. Have you read the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich? Its really good. I do not believe they were persecuted for WHAT THEY BELIEVED, they were horribly persecuted because of who they were.

dalakhani · #37 09-28-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Many people of the Jewish persuasion would tell you its a culture, more than a religion. And Jews were not the only culture persecuted by Hitler in a systematic manner. Have you read the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich? Its really good.

I understand that they weren't the ONLY group persecuted. You can call it a "culture" if you like but it is a culture based around their religiion. Cant we use that "culture" thing with catholics or mormons or any other religious group?

What differentiated them from the others, why they were selected, is because of religious affiliation. So to say "religion" had nothing to do with it is just dumb.

#38 09-28-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Look, I'm not going to go back and forth with you. It's a gigantic waste of both of our times. Yes I disagree with your Holocaust assessment. Hitler persecuted the Jews because they were Jewish. That's it in a nutshell. Now, I could type 3 more sentences and try and be cute, clever and try and come off as smart, but there is no need.

I aksed you a question. It was a pretty simple quesion. You danced around and tried to be clever. It's fine.

No you really dont get it then.
What does being Jewish mean?
You tell me, were the Jews persecuted for WHAT THEY BELIEVED
or who they were? This is a very important distinction. You might
find it trivial, but it is not.

Who were the Jews in the early 30's in Germany?
What made them a target then?
Your turn, since apparently you are a holocaust expert.

timmgirvan · #39 09-28-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Thats not the point. The fact that they were persecuted because they were JEWISH would mean that religion was inolved.

You can't seperate it...no matter how much you try to play the scholarly devil's advocate.

Sorry to disagree, but you can separate it..and the Jews do....many factions,groups, both culturally and faith-wise.

#40 09-28-2008, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

What differentiated them from the others, why they were selected, is because of religious affiliation. So to say "religion" had nothing to do with it is just dumb.

Define religion.
Define culture.

And you are dead wrong.

They were not persecuted for WHAT THEY BELIEVED.
I thought this was the basis of religion (belief).
I lived with a Jewish family for basically 5 years thru
middle school to high school when my mom was ill.

Reform types...

Do you even know the basic groups of Jews?
Go to Israel and make the statement you just made, and you
will get laughed out of the country. They have huge conflicts between
the ultra-orthodox religious Jews and the cultural reform Jews who dont
like this religion shoved down their throat. It even happens in this country.