Weekend Stakes Beyers

Kasept · #1 09-30-2017, 10:15 PM

BEL Joe Hirsch Turf S (G1): Beach Patrol 109 (Lemon Drop Kid) C. Brown/J. Rosario
BEL Beldame S (G1): Elate 97 (Medaglia d'Oro) W. Mott/J. Ortiz
BEL Vosburgh S (G1): Takaful 107 (Bernardini) K. McLaughlin/J. Ortiz
BEL Pilgrim S (G3): Seabhac 75 (Scat Daddy) T. Pletcher/L. Saez
BEL Temperence Hill S: Madefromlucky 90 (Lookin At Lucky) T. Pletcher/J. Castellano
BEL Miss Grillo S (G3): Significant Form 78 (Creative Cause) C. Brown/I. Ortiz

SA FrontRunner S (G1): Bolt d'Oro 100 (Medaglia d'Oro) M. Ruis/C. Nakatani
SA Rodeo Drive S (G1): Avenge 95 (War Front) R. Mandella/F. Prat
SA Chandelier S (G1): Moonshine Memories 86 (Malibu Moon) S. Callaghan/F. Prat
SA Awesome Again S (G1): Mubtaahij-IRE 102 (Dubawi-IRE) B. Baffert/D. Van Dyke
SA Zenyatta S (G1): Paradise Woods 105 (Union Rags) R. Mandella/F. Prat
SA John Henry Turf S (G2): Itsinthepost-FR -- (American Post-GB) J. Mullins/T. Baze
SA Eddie D S (G3): Mr. Roary 101 (Scat Daddy) G. Papaprodromou/T. Conner

CD Lukas Classic S (G3): Honorable Duty 100 (Distorted Humor) B. Walsh/C. Lanerie
CD Ack Ack S (G3): Awesome Slew 98 (Awesome Again) M. Casse/C. Lanerie
CD Jefferson Cup S: Mr. Misunderstood 89 (Archarcharch) B. Cox/F. Geroux

GP Florida Sire My Dear Girl S: Starship Bonita 71 (Gone Astray) S. Dwoskin/C. Montalvo
GP Florida Sire In Reality S: Soutache 77 (Backtalk) R. Nicks/T. Gaffalione
GP Mr. Steele S: Galleon Mast 93 (Mizzen Mast) D. Fawkes/T. Gaffalione
GP Our Dear Peggy S: Blonde Bomber 68 (Fort Larned) S. Gold/E. Jaramillo
GP Monroe S: King's Ghost 69 (Ghostzapper) M. Wolfson/J. Ruiz
GP Armed Forces S: Renaisance Frolic 47 (Paynter) D. Fawkes/J. Batista

LRL Commonwealth Derby (G3): Just Howard 96 (English Channel) H. Motion/F. Lynch
LRL Balt/Wash Intl Turf Cup S (G2): Projected-GB 97 (Showcasing (GB) C. Brown/N. Juarez
LRL Commonwealth Oaks (G3): Rymska-FR 88 (Le Havre-IRE) C. Brown/F. Lynch
LRL Oakley S: Exaggerated 80 (Blame) A. Delacour/D. Centeno
LRL Punch Line S: Lawyer Dave 68 (Lawyer Ron) C. Morgan/S. Hamilton
LRL Jamestown S: Yes to the Dress 65 (Congrats) R. Moquett/J. Lezcano
LRL Bert Allen S: Special Envoy 80 (Stroll) A. Delacour/D. Centeno
LRL Brookmeade S: Queen Caroline 79 (Blame) M. Matz/F. Lynch

WO Durham Cup S (G3): Melmich 96 (Wilko) K. Attard/E. Da Silva
WO La Lorgnette S: Let It Ride Mom 85 (Into Mischief) M. Casse/P. Husbands
WO Grey S (G3): Archaggelos 83 (Temple City) M. Dickinson/R. Hernandez

FL New York Breeders' Futurity: Analyze the Odds 67 (Overanalyze) T. Pletcher/C. DeCarlo

DEL Tax Free Shopping Distaff S: Hailey's Flip 82 (Archarcharch) G. Capuano/J. Torres
DEL New Castle S: Winplaceorshowono 82 (Dance With Ravens) R. Alfano/A. Cintron
DEL George Rosenberger Memorial S: Laur Net 84 (Strong Hope) A. Gonzalez/S. Spieth
DEL Small Wonder S: Enchanted Star 67 (El Padrino) G. Capuano/J. Torres
DEL First State Dash S: Whereshetoldmetogo 72 (El Padrino) A. Pecoraro/V. Lebron
DEL DTHA Governors Day H: Afleet Willy 94 (Wilburn) C. Gonzalez/J. Torres

HST Fantasy S: Here's Hannah -- (Numaany) J. Morrison/R. Hamel
HST Ascot Graduation S: Wise Market -- (Mass Market) P. Hall/A. Perez

OTP Oak Tree Juvenile S: Respect the Hustle 70 (Colonel John) B. McLean/J. Hernandez

10 pnt move up · #2 10-01-2017, 09:56 AM

Paradise Woods got a smaller figure than Bolt D Oro.......that would mean the track changed considerably.

I will go with the Timeform figure which I know will be better than Paradise Woods.

freddymo · #3 10-01-2017, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Paradise Woods got a smaller figure than Bolt D Oro.......that would mean the track changed considerably.

I will go with the Timeform figure which I know will be better than Paradise Woods.

Using a 4 horse race, with loose speed going gate to wire as a MEANINGFUL hallmark for the Forerunner is not prudent. Who cares what fig Paradise Woods received it means so little IMO.

Seems like there is a strong tendency to place as much value on the 3rd place finisher and their assumed ability as there is in evaluating raw time

10 pnt move up · #4 10-01-2017, 04:24 PM

Interesting comments about the figure from DRF, basically that they made it based on what they though was reasonable for the horses in that race and it was not a figure broken out based on a surface change.

freddymo · #5 10-01-2017, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Interesting comments about the figure from DRF, basically that they made it based on what they though was reasonable for the horses in that race and it was not a figure broken out based on a surface change.

When science meets art and art wins

Kasept · #6 10-02-2017, 05:39 AM

SA John Henry Turf S (G2): Itsinthepost-FR -- (American Post-GB) J. Mullins/T. Baze

BEL Temperence Hill S: Madefromlucky 90 (Lookin At Lucky) T. Pletcher/J. Castellano
BEL Miss Grillo S (G3): Significant Form 78 (Creative Cause) C. Brown/I. Ortiz

WO Grey S (G3): Archaggelos 83 (Temple City) M. Dickinson/R. Hernandez

HST Ascot Graduation S: Wise Market -- (Mass Market) P. Hall/A. Perez

freddymo · #7 10-02-2017, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Interesting comments about the figure from DRF, basically that they made it based on what they though was reasonable for the horses in that race and it was not a figure broken out based on a surface change.

What I do not agree with is why the Excelsior wasn't broken out in the same fashion. Was it just because they were 4 year old's? I really don't question Beyers expertise or opinion its the methodology I don't get. The Excelsior was a rock solid figure but the Forerunner isn't? In the case of the Excelsior it was very hard to stomach Send it In running an Arrogate type figure. Is it more or less plausible that a improving colt ran a 107/8 then Send it In and Tu Bruti running 114's.. It's just a discussion it isnt a knock.

blackthroatedwind · #8 10-02-2017, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

What I do not agree with is why the Excelsior wasn't broken out in the same fashion. Was it just because they were 4 year old's? I really don't question Beyers expertise or opinion its the methodology I don't get. The Excelsior was a rock solid figure but the Forerunner isn't? In the case of the Excelsior it was very hard to stomach Send it In running an Arrogate type figure. Is it more or less plausible that a improving colt ran a 107/8 then Send it In and Tu Bruti running 114's.. It's just a discussion it isnt a knock.

The also-rans in the Excelsior essentially ran to their previous figs.