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Old 02-23-2017, 06:22 AM
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KENTUCKY DERBY FUTURE WAGER ~ POOL 3

1. Always Dreaming* 50-1
2. American Anthem 15-1
3. Battalion Runner 20-1
4. Classic Empire 8-1
5. El Areeb 20-1
6. Epicharis (Jpn)* 30-1

7. Gormley 15-1
8. Guest Suite (g) 50-1
9. Gunnevera 20-1
10. Iliad* (r) 15-1
11. Irish War Cry 12-1
12. Local Hero* 50-1

13. Malagacy 30-1
14. Mastery 10-1
15. McCraken 8-1
16. Mo Town 15-1
17. One Liner* 15-1
18. Petrov 30-1

19. Practical Joke 20-1
20. Royal Mo* 15-1
21. State of Honor 50-1
22. Tapwrit* 20-1
23. Wild Shot 50-1
24. Mutuel Field/All Others 4-1

Asterisks are for the 7 newbies, led by Iliad, One Liner, and Royal Mo, all at 15-1.
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Old 02-23-2017, 06:28 AM
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KENTUCKY OAKS FUTURE WAGER ~ LONE POOL

1. Abel Tasman 10-1
2. Champagne Room 20-1
3. Chanel’s Legacy 50-1
4. Daddys Lil Darling 50-1
5. Delphinia 30-1
6. Elate 30-1

7. Farrell 15-1
8. Ghalia 30-1
9. It Tiz Well 12-1
10. Jenda’s Agenda 30-1
11. Lockdown 30-1
12. Miss Sky Warrior 30-1

13. Mopotism 20-1
14. My Sweet Stella 50-1
15. Nonna Bella 50-1
16. Noted and Quoted 50-1
17. Pretty City Dancer 20-1
18. Selcourt 30-1

19. Shane’s Girlfriend 15-1
20. Tapa Tapa Tapa 30-1
21. Tequilita 50-1
22. Unique Bella 8-5
23. Valadorna 12-1
24. Mutuel Field/All Others 8-1
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Old 02-26-2017, 10:59 AM
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Odds going into last day...with $136K in win pool.

Horse, ML, SunMornOdds
1. Always Dreaming* 50-1, 38-1
2. American Anthem 15-1, 16-1
3. Battalion Runner 20-1, 52-1
4. Classic Empire 8-1, 8-1
5. El Areeb 20-1, 18-1
6. Epicharis (Jpn)* 30-1, 46-1

7. Gormley 15-1, 16-1
8. Guest Suite (g) 50-1, 61-1
9. Gunnevera 20-1, 19-1
10. Iliad* (r) 15-1, 33-1
11. Irish War Cry 12-1, 7-1
12. Local Hero* 50-1, 54-1

13. Malagacy 30-1, 46-1
14. Mastery 10-1, 7-1
15. McCraken 8-1, 5-1
16. Mo Town 15-1, 16-1
17. One Liner* 15-1, 14-1
18. Petrov 30-1, 82-1

19. Practical Joke 20-1, 22-1
20. Royal Mo* 15-1, 36-1
21. State of Honor 50-1, 230-1
22. Tapwrit* 20-1, 24-1
23. Wild Shot 50-1, 156-1
24. Mutuel Field/All Others 4-1, 7-1
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Old 02-26-2017, 04:43 PM
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Classic Empire at single digits? Is this class that bad? Only one I'd want out of these is One Liner.
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Old 02-26-2017, 04:46 PM
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Odds going into last day...with $136K in win pool.

1. Always Dreaming* 50-1, 38-1
2. American Anthem 15-1, 16-1
3. Battalion Runner 20-1, 52-1
4. Classic Empire 8-1, 8-1
5. El Areeb 20-1, 18-1
6. Epicharis (Jpn)* 30-1, 46-1

7. Gormley 15-1, 16-1
8. Guest Suite (g) 50-1, 61-1
9. Gunnevera 20-1, 19-1
10. Iliad* (r) 15-1, 33-1
11. Irish War Cry 12-1, 7-1
12. Local Hero* 50-1, 54-1

13. Malagacy 30-1, 46-1
14. Mastery 10-1, 7-1
15. McCraken 8-1, 5-1
16. Mo Town 15-1, 16-1
17. One Liner* 15-1, 14-1
18. Petrov 30-1, 82-1

19. Practical Joke 20-1, 22-1
20. Royal Mo* 15-1, 36-1
21. State of Honor 50-1, 230-1
22. Tapwrit* 20-1, 24-1
23. Wild Shot 50-1, 156-1
24. Mutuel Field/All Others 4-1, 7-1
CLOSES 6PM: https://www.kentuckyderby.com/wager/...r/derby-pool-3
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OAKS CLOSES 6:30: https://www.kentuckyderby.com/wager/...ager/oaks-pool
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Old 02-26-2017, 05:02 PM
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CLOSING KDFW ODDS

Always Dreaming 50/1 40
American Anthem 15/1 16
Battalion Runner 20/1 35
Classic Empire 8/1 11
El Areeb 20/1 20
Epicharis (JPN) 30/1 40

Gormley 15/1 18
Guest Suite 50/1 60
Gunnevera 20/1 21
Iliad 15/1 24
Irish War Cry 12/1 7
Local Hero 50/1 70

Malagacy 30/1 50
Mastery 10/1 8
McCraken 8/1 6
Mo Town 15/1 25
One Liner 15/1 12
Petrov 30/1 70

Practical Joke 20/1 19
Royal Mo 15/1 35
State of Honor 50/1 99
Tapwrit 20/1 22
Wild Shot 50/1 99
A/Other 3yo's 4/1 5
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Old 03-06-2017, 05:05 PM
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I am very interested in ILIAD, if he can get 10 f, watch out,the other two I would consider are one liner and Gunnevera, Don't know about health issues McCracken and classic empire, if healthy these two must be considered,right now these are my top 5 , can't wait to see ILIAD in Saturday's race at Santa Anita, he reminds me of Goldencents a little, GOD BLESS EVERY One
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Old 03-06-2017, 07:35 PM
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I am very interested in ILIAD, if he can get 10 f, watch out,the other two I would consider are one liner and Gunnevera, Don't know about health issues McCracken and classic empire, if healthy these two must be considered,right now these are my top 5 , can't wait to see ILIAD in Saturday's race at Santa Anita, he reminds me of Goldencents a little, GOD BLESS EVERY One
Iliad is a half-brother to a multiple stakes winner who routinely won or placed in stakes between 10f and 14f. If he can ration his speed a bit more, perhaps some of this stamina will be displayed in subsequent starts.
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Old 03-06-2017, 10:08 PM
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Battalion Runner might be OK. IMO he could be Todd's best horse since Outwork. I think Romans horse from Saturday is better then a lot of people think. I see a lot of internet guys comparing him to other Romans plodders. I think he is more then that. Don't get me wrong he got a dream trip/setup Saturday, but he still finished. The race before he got a horrible wide trip and still ran well.
Irish War Cry ran to bad to be true. He is better then that. Chads horse from that race I thought ran huge first off the layoff. He made that huge move and couldn't sustain it. He might have distance limitations though.
Honestly no one blows me away in this crop yet. I'm not even a fan of Mastery. Maybe American Anthem?
Who can you have confidence in? 2 of the top horses are hurt or have minor issues. Then 2 horse out of the next tier lost badly this weekend. Not a fan of Girvin at all. Who does that leave you with? Oh yea and my horse Mo Town skipped races in NY that he was supposed to be pointing to and then ran like ****. Who knows....
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Old 03-07-2017, 10:16 AM
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Battalion Runner might be OK. IMO he could be Todd's best horse since Outwork. I think Romans horse from Saturday is better then a lot of people think. I see a lot of internet guys comparing him to other Romans plodders. I think he is more then that. Don't get me wrong he got a dream trip/setup Saturday, but he still finished. The race before he got a horrible wide trip and still ran well.
Irish War Cry ran to bad to be true. He is better then that. Chads horse from that race I thought ran huge first off the layoff. He made that huge move and couldn't sustain it. He might have distance limitations though.
Honestly no one blows me away in this crop yet. I'm not even a fan of Mastery. Maybe American Anthem?
Who can you have confidence in? 2 of the top horses are hurt or have minor issues. Then 2 horse out of the next tier lost badly this weekend. Not a fan of Girvin at all. Who does that leave you with? Oh yea and my horse Mo Town skipped races in NY that he was supposed to be pointing to and then ran like ****. Who knows....
Mastery looks ready to roll this weekend!
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Old 03-07-2017, 10:36 AM
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Mastery looks ready to roll this weekend!
The San Felipe and the Tampa Bay Derby are going to be huge - Tapwrit looks to me like TAP's best prospect thus far - expect a huge effort Saturday. Exciting weekend.
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Old 03-06-2017, 10:09 PM
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I am very interested in ILIAD, if he can get 10 f, watch out,the other two I would consider are one liner and Gunnevera, Don't know about health issues McCracken and classic empire, if healthy these two must be considered,right now these are my top 5 , can't wait to see ILIAD in Saturday's race at Santa Anita, he reminds me of Goldencents a little, GOD BLESS EVERY One
If a horse gets taken from Bob and wins the Derby it will be the greatest injustice in the history of the sport.
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Old 03-06-2017, 10:35 PM
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If a horse gets taken from Bob and wins the Derby it will be the greatest injustice in the history of the sport.
Iliad winning the Derby several months removed from Baffert's barn would be nothing compared to War Emblem winning the 2002 Derby after being transferred to Baffert's barn a couple of weeks before the race.
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If a horse gets taken from Bob and wins the Derby it will be the greatest injustice in the history of the sport.
Why?
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