JAZIL....Most Overrated horse in the history of horse racing.... - Page 9

#**161** 02-08-2007, 11:26 PM

An opinion on Jazil is like an opinion on the new $20.00 bill. Yours is shared by many no matter what it is. Usually, these opinions are borrowed , as much ink has been spilled writing about his races.

A real opinion on a horse would be something provocative on Little Cherokee.

He ran in yesterdays ninth in NY, as the default post time favorite for two gate scratches. Multi-race ticket pain. Mr. Tater would be an interesting horse to have an opinion on too.

Don't fight over horses. Fight over bets on horses.

todko · #**162** 02-09-2007, 01:02 AM

This horse was taken out of his running style and perhaps hasn't recovered from the bone bruising he suffered after the Belmont.

Retire him.

Corinthian only went 1:48 on a fast Gulfstream track and with Jazil 10 lengths back of that effort it's obvious the horse is not right. If the horse was right he wouldn't be in allowance conditions to begin with.

The Indomitable DrugS · #**163** 02-09-2007, 01:33 AM

He runs the same race everytime....he doesn't run horses down....he only passes the horses who stop in front of him. Which is why a brutally fast pace for the distance is so key to his success.

His mother actually won a Grade 2 stake with a 68 Beyer...and was a slowpoke just like him.

The Bid · #**164** 02-09-2007, 01:34 AM

Send him over the fences

ateamstupid · #**165** 02-09-2007, 02:52 AM

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Send him over the fences

He's too short.

Dunbar · #**166** 02-09-2007, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Gander

I give him kudos for being able to identify that Jazil was a bad win wager today. I wouldnt say he had zero chance but in my opinion at 4/5 he was one of the worst win wagers I have seen this year.

"zero chance" was further from the truth than 4/5.

--Dunbar

Danzig · #**167** 02-09-2007, 07:46 AM

i think they ought to try turf with jazil.

Mac88 · #**168** 02-09-2007, 07:58 AM

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i think they ought to try turf with jazil.

Agreed. His style would fit alot better there.

slotdirt · #**169** 02-09-2007, 08:00 AM

I'd say Brother Derek was definitely more overrated than Jazil at one point. Now, however, Brother Derek's kind of like the Funny Cide of the handicap division, that is, with his faculties still in tact, of course. Nowadays, Jazil is probably the more highly regarded horse.

Mac88 · #**170** 02-09-2007, 08:03 AM

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I'd say Brother Derek was definitely more overrated than Jazil at one point. Now, however, Brother Derek's kind of like the Funny Cide of the handicap division, that is, with his faculties still in tact, of course. Nowadays, Jazil is probably the more highly regarded horse.

I think a bit of the luster surrounding Brother Derek will begin to fade. AN ok but over rated Derby performance that he has not backed up. Decent fourth in BC Classic but definately bias aided. SInce then some OK efforts out west. He is what he is.

Gander · #**171** 02-09-2007, 08:08 AM

Brother Derek is a great horse to have around because he continuously takes strange win money every time he runs, creating better than deserved prices on horses like Arsen Squad (3/1), Awesome Gem (9/1) and Latent Heat (6/1).

But I still think Jazil at 4/5 at Gulfstream 2nd off a race that was very average against a mediocre Take the Bluff, was the worst win bet I have seen this year.

Those who were smart enough to hammer him at 6/1 in the Belmont, good for you. I was one of the stupid ones who thought High Finance was a good enough horse to win.

Danzig · #**172** 02-09-2007, 08:10 AM

just saw that danthebluegrassman is in for an 18k tag today.
too many think that because a horse was once on the derby trail, he will always be better then the other horses he faces-which is why bro derek gets bet down.

i can understand some not liking jazil, but he's not overrated. no one has rated him-and everyone knows what a belmont win can mean-sarava is an excellent example of that.

randallscott35 · #**173** 02-09-2007, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

just saw that danthebluegrassman is in for an 18k tag today.
too many think that because a horse was once on the derby trail, he will always be better then the other horses he faces-which is why bro derek gets bet down.

i can understand some not liking jazil, but he's not overrated. no one has rated him-and everyone knows what a belmont win can mean-sarava is an excellent example of that.

What Baffert did by entering Danthebluegrass in the Derby to keep another out, then scratch the horse was a disgrace.

SentToStud · #**174** 02-09-2007, 08:30 AM

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Brother Derek is a great horse to have around because he continuously takes strange win money every time he runs, creating better than deserved prices on horses like Arsen Squad (3/1), Awesome Gem (9/1) and Latent Heat (6/1).

But I still think Jazil at 4/5 at Gulfstream 2nd off a race that was very average against a mediocre Take the Bluff, was the worst win bet I have seen this year.

Those who were smart enough to hammer him at 6/1 in the Belmont, good for you. I was one of the stupid ones who thought High Finance was a good enough horse to win.

I was at Gulf for the late ones yesterday and also thought he was a bet against. But mostly I was there because I thought it was an interesting race as opposed to a great betting opportunity as 2.40-1 was no great price on Corinthian either, at least in my mind.

My "worst win odds" of the year at Gulfstream honors go to Miesque's Approval last Saturday at 4/5. Why anyone would take that price on a horse whose last wins were at odds of 40-1, 25-1 and 10-1 absolutely flabbergasts me. It's always nice and interesting to see a BC winner come back to run and I'm a huge Wolfson fan (something like 22 of his 46 wins in 2006 were stakes).

But what the hell is the point of betting these kind of horses at less than even money?

Buffymommy · #**175** 02-09-2007, 08:32 AM

Is this thread still going?

slotdirt · #**176** 02-09-2007, 08:36 AM

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Is this thread still going?

Is that a rhetorical question?

Buffymommy · #**177** 02-09-2007, 08:37 AM

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Is that a rhetorical question?

Yep. I was amazed since I didn't log on last night that this thread was still towards the top this morning.

Gander · #**178** 02-09-2007, 08:44 AM

I love Corinthian as a horse but I have to agree with you that 2.40/1
was no great shakes on him, even though its always easy to say after a horse destroys a field by 9 that it was easy money. I dont do a lot of betting during the week and I knew that Corinthian would be below my mendoza line so it was a non bet for me. If I had to bet the race, I may have tried to beat Jazil for 2nd and would have lost.

Corinthian has always been a headcase and you never really know what you're going to get come raceday. Not the kind of horse I want at 2/1.

Nice to see him back and in great form.

boswd · #**179** 02-09-2007, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by todko

This horse was taken out of his running style and perhaps hasn't recovered from the bone bruising he suffered after the Belmont.

Retire him.

Corinthian only went 1:48 on a fast Gulfstream track and with Jazil 10 lengths back of that effort it's obvious the horse is not right. If the horse was right he wouldn't be in allowance conditions to begin with.

That's not necissarly true about have a Stakes caliber horse run in an allowance race. Trainers use them all them time to kind of whip them back into racing shape before tackling the stronger competition. Very similiar concept that baseball uses when a player is making a comback to spend some time in the minors to get back into playing shape.

slotdirt · #**180** 02-09-2007, 08:48 AM

Let me just say that after watching the replay a few more times, I'm not quite as impressed with Corinthian, and I'm not that down on Jazil, for a variety of reasons.