Mullins/Gato Go Win SCR story emerging

[Left Bank]

I thought detention barns were there for keeping horses from getting ANYTHING before a race!????

[Honu]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I don't know if the respective trainers ever suffered any penalties beyond their horses being scratched, but just in the last 2 years or so, Jack Van Berg and Ron McAnally faced similar situations to the Mullins one. Van Berg had his stakes filly, The Golden Noodle, scratched from a graded stakes at Del Mar because it was administered a flavored mouthwash in front of the security guard assigned to the horse. Also at Del Mar, McAnally's colt, Men's Magazine was scratched from the opening day Oceanside Stakes when its groom gave it an oral anti-ulcer medication with a security guard present.

Doesnt matter who does it or what it is , if its not water being used to rinse the horses mouth before the race it is illegal . Call it being stupid or cagey either way it doesnt excuse breaking the rules , I would think any trainer shipping to a racetrack to run would for their own protection find out what the rules are , if they dont shame on them.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Honu

Doesnt matter who does it or what it is , if its not water being used to rinse the horses mouth before the race it is illegal . Call it being stupid or cagey either way it doesnt excuse breaking the rules , I would think any trainer shipping to a racetrack to run would for their own protection find out what the rules are , if they dont shame on them.

True, but I wonder if this story would be a lot less inflammatory if Mullins had not administered the Air Power personally. As far as I know, neither Van Berg or McAnally were handed any suspensions and certainly there was not as much shouting for blood, if any.

What's a bit foolish on Mullins part, post-incident, is his statement that he uses Air Power "all the time" in California, which some people might take to mean he uses it on raceday. Of course, like you say, its just as illegal (on raceday) in CA as it is in NY.

[Mustanada]

I have read all the articles and posts here so far on Mullins. Unfortunately I sense NYRA can't take a big lead on banning or suspending Mullins without exposing themselves for not being vigilant in stopping this upon entrance to the detention barn.
Karen Murphy will now punch holes in this incident and ask how Air Power got past the entrance inspection for one. There seems to be some back and forth with dialogue between officials and Mullins that are a little confusing.
I'm not a fan of this guy at all. But I think, in the end he may walk. That was painful to write.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Mustanada

I have read all the articles and posts here so far on Mullins. Unfortunately I sense NYRA can't take a big lead on banning or suspending Mullins without exposing themselves for not being vigilant in stopping this upon entrance to the detention barn.
Karen Murphy will now punch holes in this incident and ask how Air Power got past the entrance inspection for one. There seems to be some back and forth with dialogue between officials and Mullins that are a little confusing.
I'm not a fan of this guy at all. But I think, in the end he may walk. That was painful to write.

I understand what you are saying and I fear that he may walk too, but the reality is that the rules seem to be clear that this substance and a syringe are clearly banned from the detention barn. A shoplifting is no less a crime because the store failed to post a guard at the entrence or within the store to be vigilant to those who are shoplifting. Unless NYRA was somehow complicit in having security see and approve of the administration of the substance and then someone realized that the horse could not be allowed to race on it, it is hard to understand how he didn't break some clear rules that require a punishment. Anything less vitiates the purpose of a detention barn.

I should say that my posts are based on the facts made public and there certainly can be things unknown that favor Mullins. That being said, there seems to be at the very least a clear violation of the detention barn rules of possession of items the rules clearly prohibit in that area which certainly warrants punishment if the detention barn is to be taken seriously.

[Mustanada]

Shoplifting is a crime. The NYRA D barn is a NYRA institute and not a NYS Racing law or racing rule. However, if NYRA does "suspend" Mullins how does that play out with other states. Example: If a jock is suspended other racing states don't allow that jock to ride.

[dellinger63]

he'll get suspended, appeal and serve his time after BC, like always.

[HaloWishingwell]

Did it sound like Dr. Allday thought it was being blown out of porportion at today's attheraces show?

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Mustanada

Shoplifting is a crime. The NYRA D barn is a NYRA institute and not a NYS Racing law or racing rule. However, if NYRA does "suspend" Mullins how does that play out with other states. Example: If a jock is suspended other racing states don't allow that jock to ride.

I was making an analogy. My point was that a rule doesn't become less of a rule because security is lax. In this case I believe it should be an infraction solely for bringing the items into the detention barn which it appears to be. Anything less eliminates the purpose of having one in the first place IMO.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Honu

Doesnt matter who does it or what it is , if its not water being used to rinse the horses mouth before the race it is illegal . Call it being stupid or cagey either way it doesnt excuse breaking the rules , I would think any trainer shipping to a racetrack to run would for their own protection find out what the rules are , if they dont shame on them.

Of course. And all of this is assuming that all that was in the "Air Power" bottle was in fact Air power, which by all accounts is a joke. It's a complete friggin abomination. The douche needs to lose his license.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Mustanada

Shoplifting is a crime. The NYRA D barn is a NYRA institute and not a NYS Racing law or racing rule. However, if NYRA does "suspend" Mullins how does that play out with other states. Example: If a jock is suspended other racing states don't allow that jock to ride.

there is reciprocity between the racing jurisdictions. if mullins gets suspended, he's pretty much suspended nationwide. he needs a nice, loooooong vacation.

[slotdirt]

Has anybody read paulickreport.com's coverage of this? John Scheinmann (RIP, Washington Post horse racing coverage) wrote a pretty interesting article on Mullins back in 2005 with quotes from the CHRB.

[10 pnt move up]

I laugh at the thought of this being a big deal. Like racing cares about drugs, the states sure dont, what do states care about right now, money? What do owners care about right now? Are fans going to change anything they do because they know that Mullins, are about 95% of the trainers are cheating? No, this is soooo much to do about nothing, it shows Mullins as an idiot, but didnt we already know this?

[CSC]

Roger Clemons.

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

I thought detention barns were there for keeping horses from getting ANYTHING before a race!????

Bring the guard at the front a medium well done filet, maybe a couple of Yankees tickets......probably gets you in.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

it is confusing when every other article I read claims that they caught him attempting to administer.

if you are attempting you have not yet succeeded in doing

i guess it was after he gave it thru the syringe. at any rate, i find it laughable that his defense is 'they let me in with it'. almost as good as the 'do you think i'm stupid' defense ala steve ass.

[Danzig]

from drf:

Steep fines for two trainers

Trainer Jorge Lara, who was taken into custody last Friday at Oaklawn and charged with public intoxication, has been fined $2,500 by the Oaklawn stewards as a result of the incident. In a ruling issued Wednesday, Lara was cited for "having an alcohol content higher than .05 percent while having direct physical contact with horses on the day's racing program."

Lara, who was released a few hours after being taken into custody, faces a possible civil fine during a court date set for April 28 in Hot Springs.

In other rulings, trainer Rusty Hellman was fined $1,000 and suspended 30 days "for possession of a needle and syringe on the backside containing residue of salicylic acid." Hellman's suspension runs through April 27.

[herkhorse]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Um...Lara was taken into custody at the track? He was that drunk at work? I guess Cole Norman really did pass the torch to Lara.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Danzig

from drf:

Steep fines for two trainers

Trainer Jorge Lara, who was taken into custody last Friday at Oaklawn and charged with public intoxication, has been fined $2,500 by the Oaklawn stewards as a result of the incident. In a ruling issued Wednesday, Lara was cited for "having an alcohol content higher than .05 percent while having direct physical contact with horses on the day's racing program."

Lara, who was released a few hours after being taken into custody, faces a possible civil fine during a court date set for April 28 in Hot Springs.

In other rulings, trainer Rusty Hellman was fined $1,000 and suspended 30 days "for possession of a needle and syringe on the backside containing residue of salicylic acid." Hellman's suspension runs through April 27.

Beastiality ?