3/28 (GP): Florida Derby (G1); Swale (G2); Appleton (G3)

[Bobby Fischer]

for the last 3/8ths.

Quality Road 36.99

and Dunkirk 36.85



Big Brown came home in 38.08 in the 2008 Florida Derby

The Big 2 may have had the fastest come-home times since the track was re done , not sure. Obviously it's hard to get a lot out of it because the track was so fast , and horses weren't quitting.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Pletcher, the most visable and most industry-promoted conditioner in the sport, is supposed to be gracious about the situation. Owners can say whatever they want for the most part. Some you appreciate and understand better than others. Jess Jackson is a good example. He says ridiculous things about Curlin's legacy, and you nod and say "uh huh" because he knows nothing about the history of the sport.

Why exactly is he supposed to be gracious? I don't understand the big deal about what he said. Regardless of he was correct or incorrect in his take on the track, complaining about track conditions is something that trainers have been doing forever. And if Bill Murphy really said that the rains the previous Sunday were the reason for the speed of the track on Saturday, he deserves to be ridiculed.

[King Glorious]

The track was fair for Dunkirk all the way to the top of the stretch and then it became unfair. Right. If it had been a lesser horse than Quality Road up there, Dunkirk would have gone on by and Pletcher would have had nothing to say. Because it was a good horse that didn't stop running and outran him down the lane, something that could have possibly happened no matter what they were running on, it suddenly is to be blamed on the track.

Why didn't he just scratch then? He had seen all the races that day leading up to the Florida Derby. If he thought it was unfair, he should have scratched and then run in the Wood. I guarantee that Aqueduct would not have souped up their track for Wood day. They NEVER do that. Horses naturally run 7f in 1:20 and change on that track all the time so just because we saw the Carter go in 1:20.22 and the Bay Shore go in 1:20.67 in 2004, just because we saw the Carter in 1:20.46 and the Wood in 1:47.16 in 2005....we can't assume that they soup up on Wood day.

[Indian Charlie]

Carlsbad is going to win the Ky Oaks.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

The track was fair for Dunkirk all the way to the top of the stretch and then it became unfair. Right. If it had been a lesser horse than Quality Road up there, Dunkirk would have gone on by and Pletcher would have had nothing to say. Because it was a good horse that didn't stop running and outran him down the lane, something that could have possibly happened no matter what they were running on, it suddenly is to be blamed on the track.

Why didn't he just scratch then? He had seen all the races that day leading up to the Florida Derby. If he thought it was unfair, he should have scratched and then run in the Wood. I guarantee that Aqueduct would not have souped up their track for Wood day. They NEVER do that. Horses naturally run 7f in 1:20 and change on that track all the time so just because we saw the Carter go in 1:20.22 and the Bay Shore go in 1:20.67 in 2004, just because we saw the Carter in 1:20.46 and the Wood in 1:47.16 in 2005....we can't assume that they soup up on Wood day.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

The track was fair for Dunkirk all the way to the top of the stretch and then it became unfair. Right.

[blackthroatedwind]

Not that anyone would misconstrue your remarks as being " on the record " but how exactly are comments made on internet message boards allowed to be considered " off the record? "

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Not that anyone would misconstrue your remarks as being " on the record " but how exactly are comments made on internet message boards allowed to be considered " off the record? "

Wait, didn't you just strike something you said from the record?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by monipenny

Well Andy you come on here enough tooting your horn about buddy Andy Beyer and Nick Zito. You go figure it out midget.

You could be a little more clever than making one comment that suits you.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You could be a little more clever than making one comment that suits you.

Well played

This thread could get good though

[blackthroatedwind]

Take it easy. I made an innocent joke about the " off the record " comment and only somebody looking for a fight would have reacted as you did. You need to form your own opinion here and not rely on the thoughts of someone else.