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[MISTERGEE]

marty wolfson and wesly ward are both at about 50% at calder

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

everyone knows lake is a hay ,oats ,water,guy..

[ELA]

Originally Posted by reese

Clearly,you feel strongly all ways Thanks for clarifying that.

Who can definitively say that Arl tests all horses vigorously for all drugs and CO2 levels. Do they have a detention barn like nyra?

I think the before and after stats tell the REAL story. Reminds me of Lake and Shumen. Lake USED to have gaudy win % in NY UNTIL nyra instituted the detention barn and began testing all. Lake had one runner in NY this year that I can remember...gee wonder why

Oh yes, I feel strongly on both sides of the arguement, yeah, that's it. I always enjoy how someone takes one post and makes that all-encompassing in order to make a weak point or invalidate another's opinion. I think I've made my opinions on these topics known very clearly. If you don't think so, I suggest you improve your reading and comprehension skills.

As far as Arlington, other than racing there, I am not at all familiar with what they test for and what they don't. As far as I know, they do not have an extended/pre-race detention barn, vis a vis NY.

The before and after can certainly tell a great deal -- without question. As a result of that, you can certainly assume, perhaps a lot. However, under today's rules -- I don't know of one racing jurisdiction that will ban someone for before and after, form reversal, etc. They can lean on a guy, as discussed in this thread, and they can certainly make life difficult for someone -- ala Shuman/Gill/et al. The arguement of doing otherwise, in this case more, is a fallacious one. With regard to NYRA, I am not aware of NYRA changing their standards, testing, etc. because of the implementation of the detention barn. The one change that was made was the implementation of the black box and that testing, however, I've been told that came before the detention barn. Whether or not that's true, it doesn't matter.

Perhaps every racetrack in the US should implement an extended/pre-race detention barn. Maybe there's the answer. It might just be that simple. On the other hand, I think we will all see the trickle-down effect of steroid(s) testing, out of competition testing, and additional measures that are being implemented.

Eric

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

marty wolfson and wesly ward are both at about 50% at calder

wolfson got busted at ap a couple of years ago in a stakes race... had to give the first place $$ back... and said he'd never ship to ap again.
forget the horse's name, but won a race that killed my pick 3 on million preview day.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by jwkniska

wolfson got busted at ap a couple of years ago in a stakes race... had to give the first place $$ back... and said he'd never ship to ap again.
forget the horse's name, but won a race that killed my pick 3 on million preview day.

Cant Beat It. He is currently toiling at Woodbine for malcolm Pierce.

[reese]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Maybe because he can run at Philly park, Delaware and Presque isle for similar money and less competition? The detention barn is far from the answer. Do you think NY test all horses vigorously for all drugs?

Do You think Presque Isles, Phil, Del test for drugs ?

[ELA]

Originally Posted by jwkniska

wolfson got busted at ap a couple of years ago in a stakes race... had to give the first place $$ back... and said he'd never ship to ap again.
forget the horse's name, but won a race that killed my pick 3 on million preview day.

The name of the horse was Can't Beat It (I think). The horse got DQ'ed from second in the American Derby. I think the horse came back positive for more than one drug. I don't remember which drug(s). The horse then came back in his first start after the Arlington race and won the Calder Derby (I think).

The horse was owned by Charlotte Weber and she appealed the ruling(s). I don't know the final outcome, or the details of the case, but I am sure someone here does.

Eric

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ELA

The name of the horse was Can't Beat It (I think). The horse got DQ'ed from second in the American Derby. I think the horse came back positive for more than one drug. I don't remember which drug(s). The horse then came back in his first start after the Arlington race and won the Calder Derby (I think).

The horse was owned by Charlotte Weber and she appealed the ruling(s). I don't know the final outcome, or the details of the case, but I am sure someone here does.

Eric

I believe he was positive for isoxuprine which is used for circulation in feet. It lingers in the system and IL withdrawls times were not realistic and I believe have been since changed. The stuff hardly is performance enhancing and doesnt even work that well. That doesnt mean that he is clean or using something but the drug he got a positive for isn't really a potent drug. It is really a case of the smoking gun distracting everyone from the real problem simply because the rules were so drastically different in IL than everywhere else. Wolfson seems to have 'extraordinary' abilities in many cases but isoxuprine is not the reason.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by reese

Do You think Presque Isles, Phil, Del test for drugs ?

The state of PA tests for drugs not tracks. I guess you missed the Larry Jones clembuterol case in Delaware? If you had a clue how the system works your opinions would carry more weight.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The state of PA tests for drugs not tracks. I guess you missed the Larry Jones clembuterol case in Delaware? If you had a clue how the system works your opinions would carry more weight.

reese told me he knows someone in the white house that knows about testing rules in Delaware.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

reese told me he knows someone in the white house that knows about testing rules in Delaware.

[phystech]

Originally Posted by reese

Lake had one runner in NY this year that I can remember...gee wonder why

Let me help you with your memory a little since others are helping you with other issues you have.

I own part of a horse that Lake trains and we have run 5 times in NY this year, and that includes a win and a second. I assume he passed both tests for those races since we haven't given any of the cash back.....

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I believe he was positive for isoxuprine which is used for circulation in feet. It lingers in the system and IL withdrawls times were not realistic and I believe have been since changed. The stuff hardly is performance enhancing and doesnt even work that well. That doesnt mean that he is clean or using something but the drug he got a positive for isn't really a potent drug. It is really a case of the smoking gun distracting everyone from the real problem simply because the rules were so drastically different in IL than everywhere else. Wolfson seems to have 'extraordinary' abilities in many cases but isoxuprine is not the reason.

I agree 100%. It's common to have the smoking gun be a distraction, but at the same time the smoking gun is all that a person might have gotten caught for. Of course, smoking gun or not, it doesn't mean that he or anyone else is clean. It's a slippery slope.

As I said, I think there was a second positive test. The isoxuprine rings the bell for me now, but I think there was something else.

Eric

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ELA

I agree 100%. It's common to have the smoking gun be a distraction, but at the same time the smoking gun is all that a person might have gotten caught for. Of course, smoking gun or not, it doesn't mean that he or anyone else is clean. It's a slippery slope.

As I said, I think there was a second positive test. The isoxuprine rings the bell for me now, but I think there was something else.

Eric

They gave Drysdale 45 days for acepromazine

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They gave Drysdale 45 days for acepromazine

I meant I thought there was a second positive test for Wolfson -- same horse, same race.

Eric

[reese]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The state of PA tests for drugs not tracks. I guess you missed the Larry Jones clembuterol case in Delaware? If you had a clue how the system works your opinions would carry more weight.

Yeah,yea, yeah, Jones had a few millimoles over the allowed levels...