Another breakdown at Turfway

Originally Posted by oracle80

"marty" . That was the giveaway, when he called him Marty.
Euro is now the lowest form of internet life ever witnessed.
For over two years on here and on ESPN, he spoke nonstop of the great polytrack, etc. He spouted numbers and figs, and I questioned him a million times about having an interest in the stuff or being connected to it.
He lied like a bearskin rug all this time, until being cornered finally, today.
What a con man and what a breach of trust.
He sits here reading our stuff on it and reporting back to Marty, etc.
He advertises for it and lies about doing so, and in the end hes been exposed for what he is, which is what I proclaimed him to be over a year ago, a polytrack shill with an interest in it.
I hope everyone looks as dimly upon him now as i do. The guy has perpetuated a lie, and all the bull**** hes been spouting for two years is now exposed.
I guess you just cant trust some people.

I dont know Marty. However, that is what he goes by. You want to say I have a connecting with someone because I call them Marty instead of Martin then you are really reaching here. You are making things up Oracle. And you are the liar. I am still waiting for you to show me where I said I lived in Cincinnati. You can't and you are a liar when it comes to that. You are trying to find something that isnt there because I can refute anything negative you say about PolyTrack and make you look like a fool.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I never said money only, I asked one million times if you were connected to it any way.
I hope everyone else realizes your only reason for being here is to spout poly, and gain info on what people are saying to "marty".
You are in the same league as the George boys.

A person saying that enough is enough when it comes to Poly is spouting it--that it hilarious. I apologize, I thought you meant a monetary connection. If you have a friend that works for Hollywoood, Woodbine, Turfway, Keeneland and now Arlington then I would hope you would want your friend to keep his/her job so they can feed their family then I guess you would connection. Lord Oracle, you are reaching here and it is embarrassing for you.

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Lord Oracle, you are reaching here and it is embarrassing for you.

I know tell me about it

Oracle, answer this question.....why are you so oppossed to a third surface. Never mind what people have said. I want your thoughts as to why having a third surface is bad for the game.

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Oracle, answer this question.....why are you so oppossed to a third surface. Never mind what people have said. I want your thoughts as to why having a third surface is bad for the game.

cause Oracle cant handicap races on that surface to save his life

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I have looked at the negatives and I have said that enough is enough when it comes to a synthetic surface. I believe there should be a 3rd surface. Do the negatives outweigh the positives--imo, NO. Are the negatives that people bring up a big deal NO. The kickback is no big deal, the clumping can be a minor problem. Do you want to the know the real negative of a synthetic surface that no one mentions....well here it is and this one is a HUGE deal. The surface is so forgiving that it is hard to detect a minor injury that can compound in a serious one. For example: horses with a stone bruise travel effortlessly over the surface. Get them on a dirt surface and they are in pain. To me this is the major problem with Poly. Kickback, clumps, breathing are just topics to bitch. If you want to talk the negatives then bring up a true negative--not something to bitch about.

Actually, if I recall, Cunningham brought that issue up numerous times...

We won't know the full impact on breathing issues for a while, anyway... this is the kind of stuff that may not show an immediate reaction, but may show it later on in life. I, for one, believe that it would have been more beneficial to spend the money needed to improve on the condition of the former dirt surface, rather than the millions spent on this synthetic stuff.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Oracle, answer this question.....why are you so oppossed to a third surface. Never mind what people have said. I want your thoughts as to why having a third surface is bad for the game.

Not opposed to a third surface at all, as long as it can be offered at a trackj with traditional dirt, which noone has done or will do,
Its a dirt replacement, not a third surface, because not one track has THREE surfaces, no room for them.
And the marketers are flat out liars.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Actually, if I recall, Cunningham brought that issue up numerous times...

We won't know the full impact on breathing issues for a while, anyway... this is the kind of stuff that may not show an immediate reaction, but may show it later on in life. I, for one, believe that it would have been more beneficial to spend the money needed to improve on the condition of the former dirt surface, rather than the millions spent on this synthetic stuff.

I agree with you when it comes to a place like Keeneland and the Cali tracks. But for a place like Woodbine and Turfway it makes more sense to have a synthetic surface. I dont remember Cunningham posting that but thanks for letting us know.

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

I know tell me about it

Look Seattle,
asa 26 year old guy who has never lived away from mommy and daddy,and who doesnt posess a drivers liscense, you should know your place in the grand scheme of things.
To help you understand what that is, here is what you need to do.
Go outside after breakfast, and go and find a pond or a river or a swampy area. Pick up a rock right near the water and look underneath. If you have any questions after this, give us a shout and we can help you out with it.
Mommy and Daddy take you to Chuck E Cheese this past weekend?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I agree with you when it comes to a place like Keeneland and the Cali tracks. But for a place like Woodbine and Turfway it makes more sense to have a synthetic surface. I dont remember Cunningham posting that but thanks for letting us know.

Why do you think Woodbine and Turfway need polytrack as opposed to Keeneland and the Cali tracks? I'm interested in knowing your thoughts.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Look Seattle,
asa 26 year old guy who has never lived away from mommy and daddy,and who doesnt posess a drivers liscense, you should know your place in the grand scheme of things.
To help you understand what that is, here is what you need to do.
Go outside after breakfast, and go and find a pond or a river or a swampy area. Pick up a rock right near the water and look underneath. If you have any questions after this, give us a shout and we can help you out with it.
Mommy and Daddy take you to Chuck E Cheese this past weekend?

He should have joined us and gave his parents a break! HAHA I took my 3 year old!

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Why do you think Woodbine and Turfway need polytrack as opposed to Keeneland and the Cali tracks? I'm interested in knowing your thoughts.

ever been to Canada this time of year?....ok now how about LA this time of year?

Originally Posted by oracle80

Not opposed to a third surface at all, as long as it can be offered at a trackj with traditional dirt, which noone has done or will do,
Its a dirt replacement, not a third surface, because not one track has THREE surfaces, no room for them.
And the marketers are flat out liars.

I dont understand, why do they need a dirt surface as well. Oaklawn and Turfway dont have a turf so why does only having one surface matter. To me it is a 3rd surface. And of course it replaced dirt at Turway etc etc-u are a genius to figure that one out. So I dont understand when you say it is a dirt replacement.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by dr. fager

ever been to Canada this time of year?....ok now how about LA this time of year?

No, actually I haven't. I'm sorry, but is your name Euro? Didn't think so.

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

No, actually I haven't. I'm sorry, but is your name Euro? Didn't think so.

Is your name Joel or are you his proxy?

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I dont understand, why do they need a dirt surface as well. Oaklawn and Turfway dont have a turf so why does only having one surface matter. To me it is a 3rd surface. And of course it replaced dirt at Turway etc etc-u are a genius to figure that one out. So I dont understand when you say it is a dirt replacement.

Of course you do shill.
No track has room for both surfaces. And the fact that Oak and turf dont have turf has nothing to do whatsoever with what we are talking about. Nice strawman attempt though, anyway, it doesnt give trainers or horses the option of running on dirt. It replaces it, and its quite obvious that its nowhere near dirt.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Why do you think Woodbine and Turfway need polytrack as opposed to Keeneland and the Cali tracks? I'm interested in knowing your thoughts.

Woodbine and Turfway lost many days to bad track conditions. Also, the tracks would get wet and freeze and then melt making the conditions very dangerous. Keeneland and Cali do not have these problems. I think their dirt surfaces could have improved by fixing them. But Woodbine and Turfway cannot control the weather.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by dr. fager

Is your name Joel or are you his proxy?

Done stringing those lights yet, drunka$$? HAHA!!!

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Look Seattle,
asa 26 year old guy who has never lived away from mommy and daddy,and who doesnt posess a drivers liscense, you should know your place in the grand scheme of things.
To help you understand what that is, here is what you need to do.
Go outside after breakfast, and go and find a pond or a river or a swampy area. Pick up a rock right near the water and look underneath. If you have any questions after this, give us a shout and we can help you out with it.
Mommy and Daddy take you to Chuck E Cheese this past weekend?

actually I was sick, and i had to cancel a few meetings with you know who. I hope to make it up to her this afternoon after work

Originally Posted by oracle80

Of course you do shill.
No track has room for both surfaces. And the fact that Oak and turf dont have turf has nothing to do whatsoever with what we are talking about. Nice strawman attempt though, anyway, it doesnt give trainers or horses the option of running on dirt. It replaces it, and its quite obvious that its nowhere near dirt.

What do you mean trainers dont have the option to run on dirt. Trainers can go to Mountaineer or to Buleah to race on dirt if they desire. Granted that may not appeal to them but they have an option. And trainers at Turf and Oak dont have the option to run on Turf. So what is the difference.