Obama's job approval

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Where have I disagreed with the statement that small business owners have a tremendous economic impact on the country? They obviously do, and I have never, and will never dispute that.
That doesn't mean that they "basically carry the country" as you so outrageously and naively claimed.

Prove your point.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Of course it is. That's why I'm hoping Chuck will stop and get to what I'm actually saying at some point before the end of Obama's first term.

What you are saying is BS.

Under your rules of engagement I couldnt critize the Bears for trading for Jay Cutler now because I kept quiet when the trade first happened.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Ah, a cousin to the "you're stifling my free speech!!!!!" meme, which naturally, I’ve done none of.

You can talk about people blaming Bush, even call them on it, but you don’t get to say “STOP BLAMING BUSH” when someone is talking about a topic on which they are NOT BLAMING BUSH and expect people to take it seriously and then get all frustrated when people call you on that $hit.

That’s about the 11th time I’ve said that in the last two days. Not. Computing.



LOL. no.

You said I CANT say something. Did you not?

When you refer to debates or lack thereof using the last 8 years as the premise exactly how isnt Bush involved? Without actually saying the words, you are implying that Bush did somethig wrong. If not there would be no need for debate.

Anyway congrats to effectively deflecting the attention off of the Disaster in Chief

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Prove your point.

You need me to prove the point that there is more to a country than simply employing people and paying taxes?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by miraja2

You want me to prove the point that there is more to a country than simply employing people and paying taxes?

http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/busine.../sbatopten.htm

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/busine.../sbatopten.htm

Right....as I said, I've never disputed the economic impact of small businesses.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You said I CANT say something. Did you not?

When you refer to debates or lack thereof using the last 8 years as the premise exactly how isnt Bush involved? Without actually saying the words, you are implying that Bush did somethig wrong. If not there would be no need for debate.

Anyway congrats to effectively deflecting the attention off of the Disaster in Chief

Ok Chuck, if you're going to take me that way, then all bets are off.

"You can't tell me Rumor Has It is going to win the Sycamore," obviously means that I disagree with your premise, not that you are NOT ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO SAY IT.

I would say such a reading is, in fact, disingenuous, but then you will say I'm blaming Bush for your overly literal interpretation of what I'm saying.

Useless. I give up. Uncle. You win. Drained me of my energy with disingenuous interpretations and straw man arguments. You would actually make a really good conservative commentator, since you've mastered their tactics.

It's like arguing with a less intellectually honest version of Sean Hannity....if that's even humanly possible.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

You win. Drained me of my energy with disingenuous interpretations and straw man arguments.

It is like arguing with a brick wall....well....a brick wall that knows how to post links to web-sites and articles that don't actually have anything to do with the topic being discussed.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/busine.../sbatopten.htm

so they really do "basically carry the country"!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by miraja2

You need me to prove the point that there is more to a country than simply employing people and paying taxes?

yea there's all of those unemployed and not paying taxes, illegals some of who pay taxes and some who don't and let's not forget all those government workers, both Federal and local including politicians who are paid directly using taxes.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Has free health care destroyed England and Canada? I don't think so. Ask most of them and they will laugh at the way our health insurance system is set up

Does England and Canada give illegals free health care? What about the people who can work and dont want to get off thier worthless ass'? Do they deserve free hell care? HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

so they really do "basically carry the country"!

Small businesses make up more than 99.7% of all employers

Small businesses create more than 50 percent of the nonfarm private gross domestic product (GDP)

Small businesses employ about 50 percent of all private sector workers

Small businesses make up 97 percent of exporters and produce 29 percent of all export value.

The latest figures show that small businesses create 75 percent of the net new jobs in our economy.


Uh yeah they do.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Right....as I said, I've never disputed the economic impact of small businesses.

So you are basing your attack/defense on yourdefinition of "basically carrying the country" and how it differs from mine? That's mighty rich of ya! Of course your definition is correct as you have distinctly and clearly pointed out where you are right and I am wrong.

Oh you just chose to assume your view is right and mine wrong. Why not. Brian has studied my posts and political opinions for the last 8 1/2 years and has determine that doth protest too little and you are just picking up the slack. Good job.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Ok Chuck, if you're going to take me that way, then all bets are off.

"You can't tell me Rumor Has It is going to win the Sycamore," obviously means that I disagree with your premise, not that you are NOT ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO SAY IT.

I would say such a reading is, in fact, disingenuous, but then you will say I'm blaming Bush for your overly literal interpretation of what I'm saying.

Useless. I give up. Uncle. You win. Drained me of my energy with disingenuous interpretations and straw man arguments. You would actually make a really good conservative commentator, since you've mastered their tactics.

It's like arguing with a less intellectually honest version of Sean Hannity....if that's even humanly possible.

Give me a break with your roundabout bullshi t.

You want to call me intellectually dishonest? Fine.

I will be the bigger man and say that is your view and you are entitled to it however distorted and simpleminded it may be.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by miraja2

It is like arguing with a brick wall....well....a brick wall that knows how to post links to web-sites and articles that don't actually have anything to do with the topic being discussed.

Give me a break. You just dont bother reading the posts and cant follow along with the topics.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I will be the bigger man and say that is your view and you are entitled to it however distorted and simpleminded it may be.

LOL. How big of you, Chuck.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

LOL. How big of you, Chuck.

I didnt say literally. The way you use twisted logic it could actually be a compliment.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I didnt say literally. The way you use twisted logic it could actually be a compliment.

Says the man who couldn't post an intellectually honest argument if someone else wrote it for him.

xo
The Bigger Man

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Small businesses make up more than 99.7% of all employers

Small businesses create more than 50 percent of the nonfarm private gross domestic product (GDP)

Small businesses employ about 50 percent of all private sector workers

Small businesses make up 97 percent of exporters and produce 29 percent of all export value.

The latest figures show that small businesses create 75 percent of the net new jobs in our economy.


Uh yeah they do.

UH i was agreeing with you!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Says the man who couldn't post an intellectually honest argument if someone else wrote it for him.

xo
The Bigger Man

You arent really aware of the meaning of intellectually honest or dishonest are you? In order to be intellectually dishonest I would have to knowingly advance an argument that I knew was based on untrue information. Or I would have to knowingly withhold information that was relevant to my argument.

When exactly have I done this?

Just one example. And me saying that Democrats still "blame bush" is simply an opinion based on valid information. No honesty involved.

Keep up the the fight. Your party will need you the next few elections.