Mullins/Gato Go Win SCR story emerging

[dellinger63]

with something potentally so serious to go unanswered, on the dawn of the derby, until the stewards meet 'probably wednesday' is ludicrous. Turn it over to law enforcement who work 24/7 if need be.

Originally Posted by dellinger63

with something potentally so serious to go unanswered, on the dawn of the derby, until the stewards meet 'probably wednesday' is ludicrous. Turn it over to law enforcement who work 24/7 if need be.

No no and no. CONGRESS!!

[philcski]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

why are any of you suprised mullins is a bad guy..why do you think maker all of a sudden got on a 'roll' remember when noone could beat contessa on the inner.. our sport has its issues just knowing who
is a bad guy helps.notice who did not win every 2 year old race this year at
toga.t.a.p.. i have a respect for the people who want integrity in the sport but until they have the vets under one flag it wont happen.

Honestly, I don't think anybody is surprised here, based on the responses. More disgusted than anything else. As if we didn't need anything more to hate him for.

As for Contessa, yeah I'm sure he's not entirely on the up and up, but when it comes to the inner he's sending out MUCH better stock than everybody else and has the legitimate favorite in nearly every race he enters. He gets a lot of wins in NYB company where he'll risk a horse with some ability in a MCL where half the field is completely inept.

[Bobby Fischer]

Did they draw blood samples from Gato Go Win ?

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by gales0678

fine have a gurad strip search any trainer / groom that has to go in the DB

don't tell me nyra can't do that or afford that , we do it at all the airports in this country

Should we really make anyone see Jeff Mullins naked against their will? Just send him to prison and at least then it'll be "consensual."

I don't think we should be so quick to assume IEAH won't publicly pitch a fit. They can of course write it off to being the other owner's right to decide the trainer but they won't miss an opportunity to cry 'I am shocked, shocked, to learn there is cheating going on in this establishment...'

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Did they draw blood samples from Gato Go Win ?

interesting

Did they catch Mullins before or after?

I assume they tested IWR.

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

This is actually consistent with what Mullins said. If everything was searched and emptied, why didn't they confiscate the Air Power and syringe when he entered?

The attempt to cheat is so outrageously stupid, it's easier for me to believe the guy somehow thought what he was doing was okay. I know that will not be a popular view here, but how else can you explain him trying to do something so stupid when there are security guards and security cameras?

--Dunbar

But it was extremely stupid to say that about New York when his fate is in the NYRA's hands, not to mention IEAH'es. It sure doesn't look like many who posted here took the time to read any or all of the links posted on the thread. Maybe that's why those people are confused.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

But it was extremely stupid to say that about New York when his fate is in the NYRA's hands, not to mention IEAH'es. It sure doesn't look like many who posted here took the time to read any or all of the links posted on the thread. Maybe that's why those people are confused.

Maybe all those confused people dont believe Mullins story? I mean his word is worth so much. He would always tell the truth.

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Maybe all those confused people dont believe Mullins story? I mean his word is worth so much. He would always tell the truth.

From their post's it was obvious they didn't even know the facts as stated in the articles. They kept bringing up questions that had already been answered. Even the post right before mine asked if they "caught" Mullins before or after.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Y-M-C-A

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Y-M-C-A

Crap I missed a caption contest. Hmm. Is it wrong to suggest "Next time on...To Catch a Predator" ?

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

From their post's it was obvious they didn't even know the facts as stated in the articles. They kept bringing up questions that had already been answered. Even the post right before mine asked if they "caught" Mullins before or after.

I read that they caught him before. I was asking for clarification. Maybe I should have asked, "do they suspect he had something else in his system that might have disappeared after a race" I didn't read if they had already given him lasix.

[Danzig]

since nothing can be administered, and he admitted to applying the creme to the horses nostrils, is that a violation as well? of course having the syringe was against the rules, but i haven't really seen anyone talk about the ointment.

[Danzig]

from drf:


Mullins said it wasn't until after he administered the Air Power to Gato Go Win that security guards began asking questions.

mullins doing a dance about whether IWR got anything before the gotham. he said air power was sent over to the det barn with the colt that day as well. mullins claims he had two ny guys take the colt over that day, that he didn't go to the barn at all, and his own guys couldn't get licensed.

[CSC]

I wonder if Mullins applied Airpower without a syringe, would this story have any legs? I can't remember the poster's name but she sounded knowledgeable when she said it was the equivalent of giving a horse a cough drop, all this trouble for a menthol type based application?

[sumitas]

The detention barn is there for a reason . Mullins knows the rules . He broke them according to all accounts . It was not "an innocent mistake" imo . It's up to the NYRA to do the right thing now since Mullins was not able to do so . The NYRA did scratch the horse which was the right thing to do at the time .

[pmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by CSC

I wonder if Mullins applied Airpower without a syringe, would this story have any legs? I can't remember the poster's name but she sounded knowledgeable when she said it was the equivalent of giving a horse a cough drop, all this trouble for a menthol type based application?

In the detention barn, I have to think it would be a big deal oral syringe or not.

The fact that he so much as admitted he was giving the same application to multiple horses, was probably about the worst thing he could say. Certianly goes against the "Gato Go Win just needed a cough drop" defense...

[dellinger63]

I just hope tomorrow we don't hear, "we will not comment on specifics as the incident is under investigation" but I know we will.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

But it was extremely stupid to say that about New York when his fate is in the NYRA's hands, not to mention IEAH'es. It sure doesn't look like many who posted here took the time to read any or all of the links posted on the thread. Maybe that's why those people are confused.

I agree that his comments were stupid, though if you are taking the "outrage" defense, Mullins comments are consistent.

What I don't get (and I have read the linked articles) is how he thought he would get away with such a risky move in the first place. It's like a bizarro story where nothing really makes sense.

Then again, I should remember that people do often have a warped sense of what they can get away with, to a degree that challenges objective reason. Eliot Spitzer comes to mind.

That said, it should be possible to figure out if this comment by Mullins is true:

“They looked at everything I carried in, so when they let me through [with AirPower], in my mind, everything was fine,” Mullins said. “Everything was out in the open. Two investigators watched me give the horse the treatment then five minutes later they wanted to see it. If they saw the AirPower and dosing syringe on me the whole time, then why didn’t they stop me?

Was the Air Power "out in the open" or wasn't it? Was the syringe "out in the open" or wasn't it? Will the security people deny this?

--Dunbar

[RolloTomasi]

I don't know if the respective trainers ever suffered any penalties beyond their horses being scratched, but just in the last 2 years or so, Jack Van Berg and Ron McAnally faced similar situations to the Mullins one. Van Berg had his stakes filly, The Golden Noodle, scratched from a graded stakes at Del Mar because it was administered a flavored mouthwash in front of the security guard assigned to the horse. Also at Del Mar, McAnally's colt, Men's Magazine was scratched from the opening day Oceanside Stakes when its groom gave it an oral anti-ulcer medication with a security guard present.