Horse of the Year? - Page 8

RollerDoc · #**141** 12-31-2008, 01:30 PM

Isn't it fair to say that Big Brown beat better horses than Curlin or Zenyatta? Here are just a few:

Colonel John
Proudinski
Cool Coal Man
Shakis
Macho Again
Visionaire
Da'Tara
Eight Belles
Denis of Cork
Tale of Ekati
Elysium Fields
Gayego
Anak Nakal
Dr. Cal
Coal Play
Hey Bern
Z Fortune
Ichabod Crane
Tomcito
Nistle's Crunch
Globalization
Silver Tree
Atoned
Crimsom Comic

King Glorious · #**142** 12-31-2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Isn't it fair to say that Big Brown beat better horses than Curlin or Zenyatta? Here are just a few:

Colonel John
Proudinski
Cool Coal Man
Shakis
Macho Again
Visionaire
Da'Tara
Eight Belles
Denis of Cork Tale of Ekati
Elysium Fields
Gayego
Anak Nakal
Dr. Cal
Coal Play
Hey Bern
Z Fortune
Ichabod Crane
Tomcito
Nistle's Crunch
Globalization
Silver Tree
Atoned
Crimsom Comic

This confirms what I believed to be true. Roller Doc is not serious. He's been playing with us this whole time. This list of the good horses the Big Brown beat confirms it 100%. All this time, I really believed he was campaigning on BEHALF of Big Brown but now I see he's against the horse. You had me going pal.

RollerDoc · #**143** 12-31-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

This confirms what I believed to be true. Roller Doc is not serious. He's been playing with us this whole time. This list of the good horses the Big Brown beat confirms it 100%. All this time, I really believed he was campaigning on BEHALF of Big Brown but now I see he's against the horse. You had me going pal.

You can stop being condescending right now. I'm just saying this group as a whole were better than those faced by Curlin or Zenyatta. You are spinning it as this group is made up of "good horses" and those were not my words.

RollerDoc · #**144** 12-31-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

No

Can you just give me your short list of who either have beaten that compares with my list? After all I provided some names.

RollerDoc · #**145** 12-31-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

This confirms what I believed to be true. Roller Doc is not serious. He's been playing with us this whole time. This list of the good horses the Big Brown beat confirms it 100%. All this time, I really believed he was campaigning on BEHALF of Big Brown but now I see he's against the horse. You had me going pal.

King Glorious, how about you respond with four horses beaten by Zenyatta and Curlin combined this year that would be better horses than these four:

Colonel John
Denis of Cork
Eight Belles
Tale of Akati

letswastemoney · #**146** 12-31-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

You can stop being condescending right now. I'm just saying this group as a whole were better than those faced by Curlin or Zenyatta. You are spinning it as this group is made up of "good horses" and those were not my words.

Those horses faced restricted company for most of the year. Under what evidence are they better? Colonel John is about as good as most of those 3 year olds, and he still finished midpack in the Classic.

RollerDoc · #**147** 12-31-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Those horses faced restricted company for most of the year. Under what evidence are they better? Colonel John is about as good as most of those 3 year olds, and he still finished midpack in the Classic.

I guess my point was comparing Big Brown's competition to Zenyatta's or Curlin's. Based on the list I posted, I am suggesting that Big Brown's competitors were in the same conversation as the other two horses.

King Glorious · #**148** 12-31-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

King Glorious, how about you respond with four horses beaten by Zenyatta and Curlin combined this year that would be better horses than these four:

Colonel John
Denis of Cork
Eight Belles
Tale of Akati

What would be the point? All you will say is that the four aren't better than the four you named. But what the hell............

Ginger Punch
Hystericalady
Wanderin Boy
Einstein
Music Note
Cocoa Beach
Well Armed

I know, I know. You don't even have to say it. I know that all of those horses that I mentioned are grade one and grade two winners, some of them of multiple races, and that doesn't compare to what Denis of Cork and Eight Belles did in their careers but I thought I'd mention them anyway.

SniperSB23 · #**149** 12-31-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

King Glorious, how about you respond with four horses beaten by Zenyatta and Curlin combined this year that would be better horses than these four:

Colonel John
Denis of Cork
Eight Belles
Tale of Akati

You're kidding? People are still buying this Colonel John crap after Mambo in Seattle's debacle against Curlin? And Tale of Slowkati around two turns? What exactly did Denis of Cork accomplish this year? You have to be kidding.

RollerDoc · #**150** 12-31-2008, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

What would be the point? All you will say is that the four aren't better than the four you named. But what the hell............

Ginger Punch
Hystericalady
Wanderin Boy
Einstein
Music Note
Cocoa Beach
Well Armed

I know, I know. You don't even have to say it. I know that all of those horses that I mentioned are grade one and grade two winners, some of them of multiple races, and that doesn't compare to what Denis of Cork and Eight Belles did in their careers but I thought I'd mention them anyway.

Honestly, the list you provided are not better than the four I named.

Danzig · #**151** 12-31-2008, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Isn't it fair to say that Big Brown beat better horses than Curlin or Zenyatta? Here are just a few:

Colonel John
Proudinski
Cool Coal Man
Shakis
Macho Again
Visionaire
Da'Tara
Eight Belles
Denis of Cork
Tale of Ekati
Elysium Fields
Gayego
Anak Nakal
Dr. Cal
Coal Play
Hey Bern
Z Fortune
Ichabod Crane
Tomcito
Nistle's Crunch
Globalization
Silver Tree
Atoned
Crimsom Comic

i'd take einstein over any of those horses in a new york minute. and most of those horses, i'd take the last place finisher in the distaff over. tomcito, really? hey bern? seriously? and who the bloody hell is crimson comic?

Danzig · #**152** 12-31-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Those horses faced restricted company for most of the year. Under what evidence are they better? Colonel John is about as good as most of those 3 year olds, and he still finished midpack in the Classic.

because they A: raced big brown, and B: because roller doc said so.

RollerDoc · #**153** 12-31-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

You're kidding? People are still buying this Colonel John crap after Mambo in Seattle's debacle against Curlin? And Tale of Slowkati around two turns? What exactly did Denis of Cork accomplish this year? You have to be kidding.

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Denis of Cork hit the board in both the Kentucky Derby and Belmont Stakes? Unless you don't consider those two races very important?

SniperSB23 · #**154** 12-31-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Honestly, the list you provided are not better than the four I named.

Honestly, the best two horses you probably named were Proudinsky and Shakis and that is pretty sad.

SniperSB23 · #**155** 12-31-2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Denis of Cork hit the board in both the Kentucky Derby and Belmont Stakes? Unless you don't consider those two races very important?

Restricted races are meaningless when you are running against a terrible crop. Someone had to hit the board in those races. Doesn't automatically make them a good horse, just better than the crap in their crop.

RollerDoc · #**156** 12-31-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Restricted races are meaningless when you are running against a terrible crop. Someone had to hit the board in those races. Doesn't automatically make them a good horse, just better than the crap in their crop.

Once again, when did I ever say any of those horses were "good horses?" I was making comparisons to the other HOY candidates competition and simply making a point that Big Brown belongs in that conversation.

RollerDoc · #**157** 12-31-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i'd take einstein over any of those horses in a new york minute. and most of those horses, i'd take the last place finisher in the distaff over. tomcito, really? hey bern? seriously? and who the bloody hell is crimson comic?

I would put Einstein toward the top of my list. Crimson Comic faced Big Brown in his Maiden Race. He was highly touted back then.

cakes44 · #**158** 12-31-2008, 02:27 PM

Beating a highly touted maiden, who has done nothing, shouldn't have anything to do with this discussion.

RollerDoc · #**159** 12-31-2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cakes44

Beating a highly touted maiden, who has done nothing, shouldn't have anything to do with this discussion.

I agree, it really doesn't.

cakes44 · #**160** 12-31-2008, 02:31 PM

I would probably put Asiatic Boy ahead of just about anyone Big Brown beat at this time.