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Old 10-11-2006, 09:34 AM
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I also think that this makes more sense
http://racing.bloodhorse.com/leaders.asp?type=HORSES

Than this! Don't you?
http://www.drf.com/drfLeaderBoard.do?category=horse
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Old 10-11-2006, 10:20 AM
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Speaking of bad rides, does anybody remember the day Tommy Turner moved too early with Butterface, and although she opened up a 7 length lead around the turn, she was caught late by a Dutrwo favorite?
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Old 10-11-2006, 06:02 PM
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Oh Come on, this Gomez bashing started when everyone was saying that he was Great, and he was screwed out of the jockey title last year. It was all high praise for Gomez. No other jockey was getting praise. Not JohnnyV, not Prado. Just more ridicules on Bailey (for his quitting in my opinion on horses) and PVal (for his continuous antics involving drugs).

Regarding Gomez, I'm with Cajun on this. I just want to know which one will show up at the track on any given day.
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Old 10-11-2006, 06:17 PM
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I just want to know which one will show up at the track on any given day.

Gomez isnt any different than any other jockeys. They all go through good and bad streaks. To answer the above question, take a look at the horses hes riding. That has 98% with which Gomez is showing up. You guys make way too much to do about jockeys.
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Old 10-11-2006, 06:19 PM
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Come on, when do we ever hear about any other jockey giving a bad ride on here other than Gomez? GPK brought up Prado's ride on Round Pond, and no one said a word. Gomez has multiple threads about him. I find it interesting that he is "inconsistent". Do you know any other jocks that can change coasts and make the impact he has? It's like it's cool to bash Gomez, and say he is inconsistent. Prado has definitely given his fair share of bad ones, and they are excused.
Its not cool, he is.
And the shills for him are the guys who are funny.
You go ahead, you go ahead and try, you find one ride any of the other top three ever gave that was as horrendous as the one on this thread. ZRound Pound was rank, and Efgar couldnt get her to chill, or maybe didnt try hard enough. Thats not even in the same universe as the abortion posted on this thread. That was top five all time worst stuff. How about Sigfreto? You remember that tragedy? Foutryninebelow? Milwaukee?
There is a theme here, when he goes BAD, he goes very bad. And thats called inconsistency. How is this wrong to point out?
Are you stilll trying to deny HOW AWFUL beyond belief that ride on here was?
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Old 10-11-2006, 06:25 PM
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Speaking of bad rides, does anybody remember the day Tommy Turner moved too early with Butterface, and although she opened up a 7 length lead around the turn, she was caught late by a Dutrwo favorite?

I believe I remember this day, it was on Blue Grass Day/Wood Memorial Weekend 2004, also Artie Schiller won an allowance against older horses that day as well...
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Old 10-11-2006, 06:51 PM
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Okay, you'e right. Prado's ride on Pulpiteer was great. I find your inconsistency to be humorous. As long as it's someone you like there is always an excuse. What about Leparoux's ride on Cayuga Water's? That was horrible. Didn't see anything on here. Gomez is human, like we all are. He gives bad and good rides, just like everyone else. There is no point arguing with you about it, or anything, because there is never an end to it. You beat it, and everything to death. That's why I try and stay away. Let me ask you this, you were mighty mad at Albertrani earlier this summer because he had said Songster was ready, and he ran second. Now Saturday, on Mary Ryan's show Dutrow said Silver Train was as good as he has ever been. The horse is still running. Now, are you not mad by this?
Silver Train didn't come out well. Thats the difference here, something I guess you can't grasp.
Obviously had Songster not come out well according to Tom, before his dreadful perforomance agaisnt Henny, I would not have held it against him or anyone.
Perhaps you aren't in the business, but I can tell you that no trainer can help a horse getting banged up in a race or injured.
Gomez is guilty of serious judgement lapses like the one on this thread far more often than any jock of his talent level alive. If you don't like that its demonstrated, thats too bad.
Greatness while consistent is always appreciated more than greatness that zigs and zags. Just ask Arod.
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Old 10-11-2006, 06:53 PM
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I believe I remember this day, it was on Blue Grass Day/Wood Memorial Weekend 2004, also Artie Schiller won an allowance against older horses that day as well...
Wrong, Arties allowance win came on Derby Day 2004. I'm quite sure of this because the pik-6 paid 94 grand that day. Two guys I know were quite pleased about that day!!!!
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Old 10-11-2006, 06:53 PM
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Come on, when do we ever hear about any other jockey giving a bad ride on here other than Gomez? GPK brought up Prado's ride on Round Pond, and no one said a word. Gomez has multiple threads about him. I find it interesting that he is "inconsistent". Do you know any other jocks that can change coasts and make the impact he has? It's like it's cool to bash Gomez, and say he is inconsistent. Prado has definitely given his fair share of bad ones, and they are excused.
We're you even around last year, or the past years? You must be new to the group. Most of us from the ESPN Board heard nothing but Bailey bashings, and no praises on anybody whatsoever. Now he's retired. Then the Gomez is a GOD threads started, then it was time to take him down. Which goes on and on and on and on. Trust me, it hasn't even come close to how much we heard about Jerry Bailey blown rides. But the Bailey bashers is not even here. Still the Bailey bashing pretty much equates on the same acceptance as Gomez is getting. Some agree and some disagree.
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Old 10-11-2006, 06:58 PM
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Da Hoss you should also note that my last Gomez knocking post was in mid to late August. Its not like its a weekly thing.
But I watch races, its what I do. And some of the great rides he gives are noted by me, but in my life watching races I've never seen such a Jekyll and Hyde as he is. One race he looks like Arcaro, the next like a ten pound bug. Its not a 50-50 mix, don't get me wrong. But the other big three don't give rides like that, not once a year.
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Old 10-11-2006, 06:58 PM
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Wrong, Arties allowance win came on Derby Day 2004. I'm quite sure of this because the pik-6 paid 94 grand that day. Two guys I know were quite pleased about that day!!!!
You got me!

You are right, I remember that now, I was at River Downs that day, now that I remember it, I would have been at Keeneland on Blue Grass Day...That's the day I scared Shane Sellers to death at Furlongs after the races...
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Old 10-11-2006, 07:11 PM
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Silver Train has thrown in bad races before. Just not at Belmont. I hope hes okay, just a marvelous horse.

Any idea when during the race this happened? Obviously something was very amiss.
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Old 10-11-2006, 07:24 PM
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Wasn't aware Silver Train came out bad. Hope he is okay. I just don't think he is inconsistent. It's my opinion, and you have yours. But honestly, can you really say Leparoux's ride on Cayuga's Waters wasn't bad. And you seem to ignore Prado's on Pulpiteer saying he was in traffic. My point is every single day people's rides could be put under a microscope. I only see his rides picked apart. It's cool, we'll agree to disagree. But please don't compare him to AROD, that's way too harsh.
Look, you don't get it. Leparoux got boxed in that race, I don't think you understand the game. Leparoux saved ground that day and simply couldn't get through. They shut him off in the lane, I just don't see that as tragic. he didn't form a plan at the start of the race to get himself locked in down the lane.
You are really missing it here, totally. Gomez is the strongest jock alive, no doubt about it. Hes also agile. But hes so stupid. That ride I've shown you here, don't you see the difference?!!!!!!!! HE CHOSE TO DO WHAT HE DID!!! Nobody forced him into a bad spot, he chose to take one. He does it very often, and YES that makes him inconsistent.
I'm sorry but getting locked in with a closer, well thats unavoidable. YOu really aren't getting the difference at all. Sometimes racing luck lands you in a bad spot, like happy Ticket. Anyone who would criticize Garret for that ride is a moron. He had poor racing luck early, and his only chance was to try to get through that hole. No problem with that. But you can't seem to distinguish the difference between a roach like Pulpiteer(which is why hes still a maiden!!!) witha lack of speed getting locked in, and a guy standing up and grabbing a speed horse so hard to dead last after breaking great, that the track announcer uses the word wrangled. The fact that you wer reluctant to identify that ride initially as as bad as it was, tells me you must just worship the guy and be blinded to its horrendousness.
You won't see any posts on me knocking guys who get locked in a jam on closers in tight big fields, its gonna happen.
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Old 10-11-2006, 07:44 PM
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Look, watch the Leparoux ride again. The horse is a front runner, always has been. Leparoux strangled her back, and fought with her for half the race. It's no different than what you are talking about. I really don't care, and seriously the whole thing is getting old. We just differ on opinion, it happens.

Once again, its not about differing. You are the ONLY guy who saw that race who thinks it wasn't horrendous ok? Thats fine.
But if you feel the need to run to his defense even after he gives a butcher job like that? I dunno what to say.
You find it odd that anyone who saw the race questions if he was stiffing or just plain incredibly stupid except you? Its not about anything else but that ride, and I just don't see how you could defend it, that ride.
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Old 10-11-2006, 07:54 PM
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Next time he gives a butcher job you will read about it, but only when he gives one. I guess I have to show the inconsistency and display it.
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Old 10-11-2006, 07:57 PM
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Yes please do, that and another poly thread.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4377
No problem. I'm on it.
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Old 10-12-2006, 01:26 AM
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To read this board, one would think that Gomez is the worst rider in the country and the only guy that ever gives bad rides. Thats what i think is really funny.

These trainers are all idiots i tell you. Idiots. Anyone wanna bet that Gomez gets another Violette mount before the meet is out? Surely after that "butcher job" a trainer as good as violette would find someone else to ride his horses. No?

Why do these trainers consistently put a guy up that is so wildly inconsistent? Can ANYONE answer that question?
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Old 10-12-2006, 01:36 AM
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To read this board, one would think that Gomez is the worst rider in the country and the only guy that ever gives bad rides. Thats what i think is really funny.

These trainers are all idiots i tell you. Idiots. Anyone wanna bet that Gomez gets another Violette mount before the meet is out? Surely after that "butcher job" a trainer as good as violette would find someone else to ride his horses. No?

Why do these trainers consistently put a guy up that is so wildly inconsistent? Can ANYONE answer that question?
hes good.
a very good big race rider.
but he makes mistakes, and probably more than most other top echelon riders.
thats all anyone is saying I think.

I know this,
I want him on my horse on Breeders Cup day over just about anyone besides PVal or Bejerano.
but on Thursday afternoon at Belmont? well, I'd just assume have Coa or another capable jock.


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Old 10-12-2006, 01:38 AM
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hes good.
a very good big race rider.
but he makes mistakes, and probably more than most other top echelon riders.
thats all anyone is saying I think.

I know this,
I want him on my horse on Breeders Cup day over just about anyone besides PVal or Bejerano.
but on Thursday afternoon at Belmont? well, I'd just assume have Coa or another capable jock.


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Hey, thats fair. I respect that. I dont agree as far as more than most top echelon riders but thats a fair way to put it and i respect that opinion.

As far as thursday afternoon at Belmont, I think i would rather have Coa than ANY other jockey. Either him or Cornelio.
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Old 10-12-2006, 01:54 AM
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Hey, thats fair. I respect that. I dont agree as far as more than most top echelon riders but thats a fair way to put it and i respect that opinion.

As far as thursday afternoon at Belmont, I think i would rather have Coa than ANY other jockey. Either him or Cornelio.
you know you might be right.
Coa has become as dependable as just about anyone and as a turf handicapper, I have a learned to really appreciate him as a rider.

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