Wisconsin Recall

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by wiphan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro6Qf...ature=youtu.be

Like...Ooh...Miy...Godd

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Did Walker cut the union contributions or did he give the union members a choice whether they wanted to be part of the union or not?

That's not what we talking about.

Clip-Clop (and now you, I guess) are apparently trying to make the ridiculous contention that Walker did NOT cut union pensions and benefits, and that money then went into his budget (which had, and still has, a huge deficit) and then Walker gave tax cuts.

This started with Clip-Clop saying that no, nobody has ever given tax cuts to the wealthy on the backs of the poor.

The Ryan budget and Walker's budget are the obvious examples of doing exactly that.

Reality - it's far too complicated for some.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Now I get it. The Path to Prosperity a budget proposal by Paul Ryan that has not been passed is the root cause of the destruction of the Unions in WI and now we will be forced to obey the large corporations and the Koch Brothers (who are not even in the top 50 of political donors in America) and the bill will provide Tax cuts to the wealthiest americans and corporations. Makes sense now. Thanks for clearing that one up

Did Riot move to WI to be part of the Solidarity singers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro6Qf...ature=youtu.be

So now we know what Riot looks like. Hopefully they are singing while waiting for that boat to Canada to pick them up.

It's not over yet, it is just the beginning, the same exit polls that said Barrett would win say Obama will win in November!

The denial is desperate, yet incredibly amusing.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

So now we know what Riot looks like. Hopefully they are singing while waiting for that boat to Canada to pick them up.

It's not over yet, it is just the beginning, the same exit polls that said Barrett would win say Obama will win in November!

The denial is desperate, yet incredibly amusing.

Not as desperate and incredibly amusing as the ramblings of our birthers

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's not what we talking about.

Clip-Clop (and now you, I guess) are apparently trying to make the ridiculous contention that Walker did NOT cut union pensions and benefits, and that money then went into his budget (which had, and still has, a huge deficit) and then Walker gave tax cuts.

This started with Clip-Clop saying that no, nobody has ever given tax cuts to the wealthy on the backs of the poor.

The Ryan budget and Walker's budget are the obvious examples of doing exactly that.

Reality - it's far too complicated for some.

Can I see this in writing as proof too please?


dismissed.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

Not as desperate and incredibly amusing as the ramblings of our birthers

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop...VdrtLcRs&gl=US

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's not what we talking about.

Clip-Clop (and now you, I guess) are apparently trying to make the ridiculous contention that Walker did NOT cut union pensions and benefits, and that money then went into his budget (which had, and still has, a huge deficit) and then Walker gave tax cuts.

This started with Clip-Clop saying that no, nobody has ever given tax cuts to the wealthy on the backs of the poor.

The Ryan budget and Walker's budget are the obvious examples of doing exactly that.

Reality - it's far too complicated for some.

Please prove where Govenor Walker's budget repair bill cut pensions and benefits (Current pensions are guaranteed under law and can't be changed). Act 10 gave the tools to the municipalities to negotiate for the first time ever employee contributions to pensions and health care.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Now I get it. The Path to Prosperity a budget proposal by Paul Ryan that has not been passed is the root cause of the destruction of the Unions in WI and now we will be forced to obey the large corporations and the Koch Brothers (who are not even in the top 50 of political donors in America) and the bill will provide Tax cuts to the wealthiest americans and corporations. Makes sense now. Thanks for clearing that one up

Did Riot move to WI to be part of the Solidarity singers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro6Qf...ature=youtu.be

wow, thistle has a potty mouth. and to ask if it's over? hello, recall is definitely over.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

Like...Ooh...Miy...Godd

i couldn't watch the whole thing...i felt my grey matter starting to protest against the agony of absorbing thistle's words.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Please prove where Govenor Walker's budget repair bill cut pensions and benefits (Current pensions are guaranteed under law and can't be changed).

That's not what I said. Pay attention and stop changing the subject.

Clip-Clop said no pensions or benefits were cut to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy. Walker's budget did exactly that. Act 10 increased the personal contributions of workers to their pensions and benefits, decreasing the state contributions, and those state monies - monies gained where pension and benefit contributions were cut by the state - went to tax cuts.

Walker screwed the unions, to give tax cuts.

Thank goodness the Democrats have taken over the state Senate. Now Walker can't call a special session this summer, as he planned, to give that mining bill gift of environmental deregulation to his big donor, and shove through a "right to work for less" bill as he promised his other wealthy donor he would for her (on tape).

The current speculation is that Walker will be indicted by the FBI within 8 weeks.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's not what I said. Pay attention and stop changing the subject.

Clip-Clop said no pensions or benefits were cut to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy. Walker's budget did exactly that. Act 10 increased the personal contributions of workers to their pensions and benefits, decreasing the state contributions, and those state monies - monies gained where pension and benefit contributions were cut by the state - went to tax cuts.

Wow, Robinhood, those poor public employees have to pay a small percentage into their pensions and benefits just like workers in the private sector? Then everyone got some tax breaks including those in the private sector who cannot afford to pay for those bloated pensions and benefits that private sector workers can't get? As a result the State Budget Deficit has been cut? Let's not forget about those poor Union leaders who now don't get mandatory dues and now that Union members have a choice and are running away in droves it prevents them from paying themselves ridiculously high salaries and takes away the money to fund the violence and damage to allow them to get even more bloated pensions and benefits!

What an absolute outrage! Those damn Koch brothers are taking over the world, soon there will be only rich people and the incredibly poor wandering the streets without jobs while the rich laugh at them!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Can I see this in writing as proof too please?


dismissed.

Yes. You should read your own posts. You said:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Show me the bill proposing tax cuts for the wealthy where it is written that they will be paid for by pension funds. No such thing exists, sheep.

Duh. It exists in Walker's budget bill, where pension contributions by the state were cut to pay for Walker's tax cuts.

Dismissed.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

Wow, Robinhood, those poor public employees have to pay a small percentage into their pensions and benefits just like workers in the private sector? Then everyone got some tax breaks including those in the private sector who cannot afford to pay for those bloated pensions and benefits that private sector workers can't get? As a result the State Budget Deficit has been cut?

What an absolute outrage! Those damn Koch brothers are taking over the world, soon there will be only rich people and the incredibly poor wandering the streets without jobs while the rich laugh at them! Let's not forget about those poor Union leaders who now don't get mandatory dues which prevents them from paying themselves ridiculously high salaries and now they don't have money to fund the violence and damage to allow them to get even more!

The Wisconsin state budget deficit has not been cut. The deficit has been hidden by spreading it out over multiple years.

And the average increase in contribution by state workers was $2000 a year. $40 a week pay cut matters to a lot of people - it's a tank of gas, or groceries, or food for your kids. These were cuts the governor asked for, and the unions immediately agreed to.

Walker busted the unions anyway.

And that - busting the unions - is why he, and multiple Republican state senators, were subjected to recall. At least the recall worked as it stopped Walker by turning the Senate from Republican to Democratic.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

The Wisconsin state budget deficit has not been cut. The deficit has been hidden by spreading it out over multiple years.

Are you accusing Wisconsin of using Obama budget accounting methods?

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

This is great preparation for libtards come November. Cry it out, turds.

Must be rough to have no connections......there's favoritism in hell ya know.

do you think 29 vacation days, 15 sick days, 3 personal days, and 11 holidays is excessive ? If you play it right, you can work a 4 day week every week of the year, and still grab a weeks vacation. Collective bargaining is awesome.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

Are you accusing Wisconsin of using Obama budget accounting methods?

The only question remaining is if Walker will be arrested only on charges relating to Wisconsin law violations during his tenure in Milwaukee county (the arrests already of his employees), or if the FBI does indeed have additional charges of malfeasance in his current Governors office to arrest him on, too.

Rebecca Kleefisch will be the new governor, and that is simply terrifying. She's a loon.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

do you think 29 vacation days, 15 sick days, 3 personal days, and 11 holidays is excessive ? If you play it right, you can work a 4 day week every week of the year, and still grab a weeks vacation. Collective bargaining is awesome.

The public-sector unions gave up alot, willingly and immediately, in Wisconsin, at Walker's asking. And in Detroit. The unions gave massive concessions in pension, benefits and pay to help save the auto industry. It worked.

The current corporate plutocrats want to destroy unions, as unions enabled, and still enable, employees to protect themselves against workplace abuse. Corporations want to eliminate all that inconvenience and expense that created a middle class of upwardly-mobile, well-paid workers over the past 100 years in this country.

So they tell you to hate unions. So you do. Click. Treat. Vote.

Goodbye, American middle class. It was a nice thing for a while in the 1950's - 1980's. It created "suburbs" of home ownership. It created kids going to college, and a better life for one's kids. It's half gone now.

And the GOP and Mittens and the Koch Brothers are intent upon finishing it off, with Hannity's help herding the gullible sheep, this election cycle.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes. You should read your own posts. You said:



Duh. It exists in Walker's budget bill, where pension contributions by the state were cut to pay for Walker's tax cuts.

Dismissed.

That isn't what you said that I said, first of all. You claimed I said "nobody has ever given tax cuts to the wealthy on the backs of the poor." I asked for proof of that. Not that I researched a document and was unable to verify what you want to believe.
Second asking someone for proof of what they are saying is not denial, it is a request for proof of these documents actually saying what you claim they do.
"It exists in Walker's budget bill, where pension contributions by the state were cut to pay for Walker's tax cuts. "
OK but where???

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

That isn't what you said that I said, first of all. You claimed I said "nobody has ever given tax cuts to the wealthy on the backs of the poor." I asked for proof of that. Not that I researched a document and was unable to verify what you want to believe.
Second asking someone for proof of what they are saying is not denial, it is a request for proof of these documents actually saying what you claim they do.
"It exists in Walker's budget bill, where pension contributions by the state were cut to pay for Walker's tax cuts. "
OK but where???

You said what you said. I said Walker's budget. You say that's not true. Then you went off in a frenzy of parsing. Believe whatever you wish to believe Your beliefs have no effect on what Walker's budget actually did to people.

You are saying that Walker's budget did not cut state contributions to pension funds? Yes or no? The answer is factually yes.

You are saying Walkers budget didn't have tax cuts? The answer is factually yes, it did.

Did the money the state save from pensions and benefits go to pay for the tax cuts? In the face of a massive budget deficit? The reason that pensions and benefits "had" to be cut? Yes, factually, that money did cover the tax cuts. Not the deficit.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

That isn't what you said that I said, first of all. You claimed I said "nobody has ever given tax cuts to the wealthy on the backs of the poor." I asked for proof of that. Not that I researched a document and was unable to verify what you want to believe.
Second asking someone for proof of what they are saying is not denial, it is a request for proof of these documents actually saying what you claim they do.
"It exists in Walker's budget bill, where pension contributions by the state were cut to pay for Walker's tax cuts. "
OK but where???

I hope you realize that you are dealing with a moving target.