Rachel Alexandra (116 Beyer for Haskell) - Page 7

Cannon Shell · #**121** 08-03-2009, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

This is way off. The Breeders' Cup has essentially forced the hand of racetracks to schedule their big races in three or four week span to allow for (at least) three or four weeks to the Breeders' Cup. The result is a clustered racing calendar and lost-in-the-shuffle stakes. Once prominent races have been pinched and torn and pulled as a result. Furthermore, racing ends after the first week of November. What would be so wrong with pushing back the BC to say, Thanksgiving weekend, and giving racetracks another three weeks to work out a coherent schedule of preps and promotion?

where would you hold it? Everyone is going crazy about SA, hollywood is poly/gone soon, GP has the wrong facility, AP is poly, NY and KY are way too cold. Maybe if Brunetti were to croak and a sane person were to take over and you made Hialeah the standing location for the BC could you do this. But of course vampires never die and brunetti will live forever.

Cannon Shell · #**122** 08-03-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

"Hurry up Gladis, the race is coming up" "What race, you know the two fillies that are better then the boys".."Oh I like the grey one #2 he is so pretty" Give me a break Chuck this is not anything that is important to the future of racing..

The reasons Gladis likes football is she picked the Bears to beat the Dolphins in the office pool and if The Bears win by 3 she wins 210 bucks and that mean Mr Moskowitz doesn't win again..Or she lives in Chic and its always better in town after Da bears win..That is the fringe fan the hardcore fan the sports' fan male or female doesn't care they will always be a fan..

T

Hold on, you are saying that marketing the sport is worthless to the future of racing?

Cannon Shell · #**123** 08-03-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Even if it totally about Jess, which it very well may be, who cares. Your running her were see is 1/2 argument is bizarre at best. He ran a filly (3) in a race against whatever wanted to show up. Who wouldn't she be 1/2 against Fn Einstein on grass or Commentator after 12 weeks of rehab and a 1 turn mile with her getting the rail?? Again were do did you want her to go and didn't Jackson get Monmouth to boast the purse to attract as many as he could?.. Chuck Summer Bird is a nice colt, is has a bright future.. The derby winner could have run.. Drama could have run 1.25 is better the 750k especially for a gelding.

He ran her in a logical spot where she was an overwhelming favorite. That is not sporting, it is logical. Running her against this collection of boys is not exactly a stretch. Freddy, no one ran because of the extra 250k. While running her in the Preakness was not a slam dunk, this was.

SniperSB23 · #**124** 08-03-2009, 10:33 AM

The only way you can make the Breeders Cup a successful television event is to have it at two tracks with staggered post times so that a race is going off every 15 minutes (like the Sunshine Millions). Owners, trainers, and jockeys will all fight this so it will never happen. Even when I get people to watch horse racing and they start to get interested, as soon as they see it is another half hour to the next race they go find something else to do. If you have a race going off every 15 minutes they may actually stick around and watch. With the current structure it is never going to draw new fans as it makes for a terrible televised event.

Mike · #**125** 08-03-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The only way you can make the Breeders Cup a successful television event is to have it at two tracks with staggered post times so that a race is going off every 15 minutes (like the Sunshine Millions). Owners, trainers, and jockeys will all fight this so it will never happen. Even when I get people to watch horse racing and they start to get interested, as soon as they see it is another half hour to the next race they go find something else to do. If you have a race going off every 15 minutes they may actually stick around and watch. With the current structure it is never going to draw new fans as it makes for a terrible televised event.

freddymo · #**126** 08-03-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The problem with the modern race fan is your last statement. For some reason fans have bought into the bs that a great horse never loses. The fact is that the great horses are the ones that accomplished great things. If Rachel Alexander were to win the BC on the "third surface" against whatever they throw at her she actually would have a claim to being a historically great horse unlike Curlin who was never more than a good three year old and decent handicap horse regardless of the BC result. If she were to lose you are going in with a built in excuse. If she were to win she would be a legend. And no she isnt one yet by beating a couple of 2nd rate Birdstones and a three horse field.

And Zenyatta ,who you have to love is, Is Personal Ensign an all time great because she won the Whitney? I didn't suggest she was an all time great yet and if Jess Jackson did who cares, he thinks Curlin was the end all..
So Rachel runs in either the Travers or Woodward beat colts or older AGAIN for the 3rd time and now we need to see some Group 2 winning gelding beat her on Pro Ride or she wins and everyone says all she beat was a couple of Birdstones and a washed up G2 euro slug.. Your kidding right you want it both ways.. Look IF she beats the colts in the Travers and or the real men in the Woodward whomever they are or aren't she will have been the best the sport had on DIRT in 2009.. Were she stacks up vs. Seattle Slew, Secretariat, Affirmed Spectular Bid Cigar Winning Colors or Personal Ensign will always be debateable. None of that is important it's only important to watch her do well vs. the best the sport has on her best surface.. If you feel that she HAS to try Pro Ride again you have to be of the opinion that she has to try grass as well it the same friggin argument.

Sightseek · #**127** 08-03-2009, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He ran her in a logical spot where she was an overwhelming favorite. That is not sporting, it is logical. Running her against this collection of boys is not exactly a stretch. Freddy, no one ran because of the extra 250k. While running her in the Preakness was not a slam dunk, this was.

Logical is what her prior connections would have done and that is put her in the Alabama.

Revidere · #**128** 08-03-2009, 10:39 AM

Brought my daughter out there after she finished 2nd in her equitation event.

Here is how I captured it:

Cannon Shell · #**129** 08-03-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

Logical is what her prior connections would have done and that is put her in the Alabama.

Regardless of what the previous connection may or may not have done the Haskell was a logical spot.

GBBob · #**130** 08-03-2009, 10:42 AM

Man....those are some serious pics

Cannon Shell · #**131** 08-03-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

And Zenyatta ,who you have to love is, Is Personal Ensign an all time great because she won the Whitney? I didn't suggest she was an all time great yet and if Jess Jackson did who cares, he thinks Curlin was the end all..
So Rachel runs in either the Travers or Woodward beat colts or older AGAIN for the 3rd time and now we need to see some Group 2 winning gelding beat her on Pro Ride or she wins and everyone says all she beat was a couple of Birdstones and a washed up G2 euro slug.. Your kidding right you want it both ways.. Look IF she beats the colts in the Travers and or the real men in the Woodward whomever they are or aren't she will have been the best the sport had on DIRT in 2009.. Were she stacks up vs. Seattle Slew, Secretariat, Affirmed Spectular Bid Cigar Winning Colors or Personal Ensign will always be debateable. None of that is important it's only important to watch her do well vs. the best the sport has on her best surface.. If you feel that she HAS to try Pro Ride again you have to be of the opinion that she has to try grass as well it the same friggin argument.

You keep making assertions that the Euros that came last year were slugs. Why is that? Where she stacks up against the horses of yesteryear will always be debatable but her position as possibly the best horse of the poly era now and going future could not be achieved without a definitive poly victory. It is all rather unsporting to skip a race you may lose because a different horse lost on that surface which may or may not have been the cause of that loss.

Cannon Shell · #**132** 08-03-2009, 10:45 AM

http://popwatch.ew.com/2009/08/03/ra...kell-monmouth/

Yeah she has no crossover appeal...

MaTH716 · #**133** 08-03-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The only way you can make the Breeders Cup a successful television event is to have it at two tracks with staggered post times so that a race is going off every 15 minutes (like the Sunshine Millions). Owners, trainers, and jockeys will all fight this so it will never happen. Even when I get people to watch horse racing and they start to get interested, as soon as they see it is another half hour to the next race they go find something else to do. If you have a race going off every 15 minutes they may actually stick around and watch. With the current structure it is never going to draw new fans as it makes for a terrible televised event.

I don't think it's a bad idea, but I think you are punishing the loyal fans who watch and play all year round just to cater to a fan base that probably won't watch another race until the derby. I enjoy watching and playing the entire day. I look at it as a second Super Bowl. Plus, I still miss stuff with 45 minutes in between races now I will only have about 15. Lets face it a day at the track is a day at the track. It should not be made into a 2 hour made for TV special.

Oh yeah, Awesome pics Rev. Thanks for posting.

SniperSB23 · #**134** 08-03-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

I don't think it's a bad idea, but I think you are punishing the loyal fans who watch and play all year round just to cater to a fan base that probably won't watch another race until the derby. I enjoy watching and playing the entire day. I look at it as a second Super Bowl. Plus, I still miss stuff with 45 minutes in between races now I will only have about 15. Lets face it a day at the track is a day at the track. It should not be made into a 2 hour made for TV special.

Oh yeah, Awesome pics Rev. Thanks for posting.

There is nothing untrue in what you say. The simple fact remains that in its current structure it is a terrible television event so the idea that the BC is going to draw in new fans is unrealistic. You can't have less than 4 minutes of action an hour and keep casual fans watching.

Scav · #**135** 08-03-2009, 10:51 AM

TV is not the answer people. A good marketing department IS the answer.

There will be 30k out for the Million next weekend here, and it isn't because of a ton of horse racing fans around here, it is because they market the hell out of it. 35k for Mothers and Fathers Day out here.

Arlington has been packed on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays. When I saw packed, between 10k and 20k. And let me say this, if Arlington was to try a night card like Churchill did, they would get 30k out there, easy.

Arlington is no where near TV. They have some radio spots, but they market the living hell out of it, especially when people actually come to the track.

freddymo · #**136** 08-03-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He ran her in a logical spot where she was an overwhelming favorite. That is not sporting, it is logical. Running her against this collection of boys is not exactly a stretch. Freddy, no one ran because of the extra 250k. While running her in the Preakness was not a slam dunk, this was.

you are right he should have called and paid for all the other colts that had abilty to come an additional 25k beyond the 25k Monmouth GIVES any triple crown runner and also asked that Quality Road to heal faster so we could get him in too..Then he could have called Aidan o'brien up and offered to ship in a few from his barn and or matched the 1.25 purse if anyone beat his filly.. How much does purse money really mean to Ed Evan, Tabor, Live Oak, Shiek Mo, Phipps, Jess, Zayat..It's basically the carrot for trainers.. Hi I am Paul Reddam I am here for my check please..Your funny Bob and i care about purses because it matters.. Hi Charlotte here is your 87k for coming in 2nd...put it with the others on the table please.. Enough of this purse nonsense..

Nobody ran because they were running for second.. Rachel is currently the fastest 3 year old at 9'fs PERIOD..

freddymo · #**137** 08-03-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You keep making assertions that the Euros that came last year were slugs. Why is that? Where she stacks up against the horses of yesteryear will always be debatable but her position as possibly the best horse of the poly era now and going future could not be achieved without a definitive poly victory. It is all rather unsporting to skip a race you may lose because a different horse lost on that surface which may or may not have been the cause of that loss.

I guess its unsporting for her not to run in the Turf Classic then as well..12f's on the grass 3 turns males sounds like a plan..She may lose BUT if she could win we finally could say she won on Poly, Dirt and finally grass routing long...A TRUE CHAMPION..What's next off to Sheppard for some jumping or perhaps we give her a shot trotting, toss on some trotting hobbles and a cant see back bridle and away she goes.....

freddymo · #**138** 08-03-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav

TV is not the answer people. A good marketing department IS the answer.

There will be 30k out for the Million next weekend here, and it isn't because of a ton of horse racing fans around here, it is because they market the hell out of it. 35k for Mothers and Fathers Day out here.

Arlington has been packed on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays. When I saw packed, between 10k and 20k. And let me say this, if Arlington was to try a night card like Churchill did, they would get 30k out there, easy.

Arlington is no where near TV. They have some radio spots, but they market the living hell out of it, especially when people actually come to the track.

This is good news...Nothing wrong with Poly

Sightseek · #**139** 08-03-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Regardless of what the previous connection may or may not have done the Haskell was a logical spot.

So the correct way to campaign a horse is in illogical spots?

In that case, Jamie Sanders should have won the Eclipse a few years back!

MaTH716 · #**140** 08-03-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

There is nothing untrue in what you say. The simple fact remains that in its current structure it is a terrible television event so the idea that the BC is going to draw in new fans is unrealistic. You can't have less than 4 minutes of action an hour and keep casual fans watching.

That's why they have to take other opportunites to drag them in. The BC is a tough platform to sell to would be fans because of the all day format not to mention the two words College Football. If they are able to get/have the fans before the BC then those people might be a bit captivavted, or to watch a horse that they might have seen in a well promoted race during the summer.
Then maybe NTRA/BC could buy some air time on other networks to remind people and advertise the upcoming stars in the next race that will be going off in about 10 or so minutes. ABC could have some sort of crawl with updates reguarding post times and prices. At least you might get a few people that will be reminded and flip over to watch a race or two and not have to watch the endless garbage that goes into making a 6 hour show (that most races fans let alone newbies don't care about to watch).