Horse of the Year? - Page 7

RollerDoc · #**121** 12-29-2008, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You do bring a high level of energy to a discussion. But I don't have the energy to dissect jazil's career with you.

No need to and I certainly am not a Jazil expert, just the opposite. I only said he wasn't a slouch. I just thought he ran well in a very good derby field and had a fairly decent showing as 3 yr old including winning the grueling Belmont.

Danzig · #**122** 12-29-2008, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Jazil was underrated and not a slouch by any stretch.

this makes me embarrassed that i have ever come close to agreeing with you on anything.
at any rate, i think hoy is curlins, but certainly i can't fault anyone for voting for brown.

RollerDoc · #**123** 12-29-2008, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

this makes me embarrassed that i have ever come close to agreeing with you on anything.
at any rate, i think hoy is curlins, but certainly i can't fault anyone for voting for brown.

There is no need to be embarassed. Plenty of other people have anonymously agreed with some of my opinions.

Danzig · #**124** 12-29-2008, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

There is no need to be embarassed. Plenty of other people have anonymously agreed with some of my opinions.

well, for what it's worth, i'd take jazil over da tara.

Indian Charlie · #**125** 12-30-2008, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

Gun to your head, who wins: Da' Tara, or Commendable?

sarava

CSC · #**126** 12-30-2008, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I have no energy for a discussion about jazil's overall quality, but in my opinion, he stunk. Where he his good race?

I never thought much of Jazil either, perhaps his reputation comes from being one of Better Than Honour's offspring.

Hasili's Cacique and Personal Ensign's Our Emblem were perhaps also more well known for being famous sons rather than what they did on the racetrack.

CSC · #**127** 12-30-2008, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

One last thing on the HOY

In 10 years you think they are going to be saying "remember the brilliant year Curlin had in 08'".....doubt it, what they are going to say is Curlin was a good horse but much better as a three year old in 07'

while in 10 years they will be saying remember the year Zenyatta had in 08' never challenged and undefeated.

just saying

They also said the same thing or something simlilar about Azeri before she tried the colts, it's really easy to look good when you are racing against a subpar bunch of horses.

CSC · #**128** 12-30-2008, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

She might have travelled the same path as that of Raven's Pass and it would have been very interesting late in the stretch. She would have had a fair chance to win the race.

And with a win in that race, this thread might not have existed.

She may have, that is the dilemma here. Her connections decided to take the safe route and she never had a chance to try. I give Curlin's connections more credit because they did go out on a limb after all the indecision of starting in the Classic. I said this before the Classic, Curlin had nothing to lose running in it. Win he's a hero, lose you can blame it on the track. It did nothing to hurt his legacy in the end. By the way I am no huge Curlin fan, I think he's a very good horse, however the overused great tag that alot of the media and some fans used in describing him I thought was just a bunch of hyperbole.

10 pnt move up · #**129** 12-30-2008, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC

She may have, that is the dilemma here. Her connections decided to take the safe route and she never had a chance to try. I give Curlin's connections more credit because they did go out on a limb after all the indecision of starting in the Classic. I said this before the Classic, Curlin had nothing to lose running in it. Win he's a hero, lose you can blame it on the track. It did nothing to hurt his legacy in the end. By the way I am no huge Curlin fan, I think he's a very good horse, however the overused great tag that alot of the media and some fans used in describing him I thought was just a bunch of hyperbole.

what makes a horse great?

CSC · #**130** 12-30-2008, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

what makes a horse great?

For me it's a horse that can capture one's imagination, a horse who can overcome unfavorable odds, who can obviously run fast under most if not all conditions, someone that wins in extraordinary manner in the highest competition. That's just off the top of my head, I may add to the list. If you look at the dictionary meaning of great the list is too long to be that precise. Everyone probably has their own interpretation.

cakes44 · #**131** 12-30-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

He also was 2nd in an Allowance race.

Am I the only one who laughed reading this?

RollerDoc · #**132** 12-30-2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by cakes44

Am I the only one who laughed reading this?

What makes you laugh? How many good horses have finished second or higher in an Allowance Race? The answer is MANY!

See a doctor and get that laugh fixed.

10 pnt move up · #**133** 12-30-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC

For me it's a horse that can capture one's imagination, a horse who can overcome unfavorable odds, who can obviously run fast under most if not all conditions, someone that wins in extraordinary manner in the highest competition. That's just off the top of my head, I may add to the list. If you look at the dictionary meaning of great the list is too long to be that precise. Everyone probably has their own interpretation.

who fits that list better, Curlin or Zenyatta?

letswastemoney · #**134** 12-30-2008, 12:23 PM

Curlin faced the highest competition, therefore he fits it better

10 pnt move up · #**135** 12-30-2008, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Curlin faced the highest competition, therefore he fits it better

what competition? who was the best horse Curlin faced this year in a race he won?

cakes44 · #**136** 12-30-2008, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

What makes you laugh? How many good horses have finished second or higher in an Allowance Race? The answer is MANY!

Yeah...no kidding. Finishing 2nd in an allowance is certainly not a qualification for a horse being good though.

RollerDoc · #**137** 12-30-2008, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cakes44

Yeah...no kidding. Finishing 2nd in an allowance is certainly not a qualification for a horse being good though.

My original comment about Jazil was that he was "not a slouch."

cakes44 · #**138** 12-31-2008, 07:25 AM

The Dirt Marathon would have been right up his alley. He was just born a couple years too early.

letswastemoney · #**139** 12-31-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

what competition? who was the best horse Curlin faced this year in a race he won?

Einstein, Wanderin Boy, Well Armed, Asiatic Boy, Divine Park, Out of Control...

There's no evidence that Zenyatta's competition was better, so you have to assume these horses are just as good or better as the females Zenyatta faced.

10 pnt move up · #**140** 12-31-2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Einstein, Wanderin Boy, Well Armed, Asiatic Boy, Divine Park, Out of Control...

There's no evidence that Zenyatta's competition was better, so you have to assume these horses are just as good or better as the females Zenyatta faced.

I can only go on the records and none of those are legit grade 1 horses, Einstein on turf, maybe Well Armed at a mile.