southwest stakes 2/19 - Page 6

Samarta · #**101** 02-20-2007, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by merasmag

care to elaborate?

One of the reasons they said they decided not to go to the Risen Star was because he developed a fever and missed a couple days of training. Jones said it was no big deal, just a little cough and he was fine.....the thing that kills me, is there was all this talk about how he loved the surface, how he was 100% (which I don't think is a good thing in Feb) and this race was a stepping stone....now he got a bad trip, Pino said he didn't like the surface, had too much ground to make up....special horses with a good jock create their trips....maybe he'll end up in the Derby but there has to be a lot of improvement.

Samarta · #**102** 02-20-2007, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I found the comment below posted on the Fox Hill Farm forum. As I understand it the person who wrote this is an assistant. My question is regarding the "struggling with the surface" comment. It looks like HS has been at Oaklawn and training well since the beginning of the year. So today he struggled with the surface?

At least it was classy in the way that they acknowledged the winner and didn't have a lot of sour grapes about the whole deal.

"Hard Spun seems to have come out of the race in good order. He was scoped and that came back fine.

It'd be nice to find someone or something to blame -- to have a firm excuse -- but that's simply not the case here. It seemed apparent from the break that what we were watching wasn't the Hard Spun we knew -- he has more speed than that. Mario agreed, reporting that he knew immediately that Hard Spun was struggling with the surface.

The important thing is that Hard Spun came out of the race well -- we'll fight another day.

Congratulations to the connections of Teuflesberg on a very nice race."

That person is Porter's assistant and web site administrator.

zippyneedsawin · #**103** 02-20-2007, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by packerbacker7964

Oh BTW go to Oaklawn Live Streaming Radio at Oaklawn.com and you can listen to the live race call with Realplayer on the computer.

Or, the next time you want to watch an Oaklawn race from your computer, you can go to ESPN.com's horse racing section and click on the live racing link to watch it for free... Or open an account with an online wagering site!

slotdirt · #**104** 02-20-2007, 08:25 AM

I say it again:

so what if Hard Spun had a below par performance in a race like the Southwest? It's not a graded event, and Hard Spun needs graded earnings. I'd be shocked if he isn't in the money at least in both the Rebel and the Arkansas Derby.

NTamm1215 · #**105** 02-20-2007, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

I say it again:

so what if Hard Spun had a below par performance in a race like the Southwest? It's not a graded event, and Hard Spun needs graded earnings. I'd be shocked if he isn't in the money at least in both the Rebel and the Arkansas Derby.

I don't know where Steve Asmussen's going with Curlin, but if he shows up in Arkansas, Hard Spun will have his hands full in my opinion.

NT

ArlJim78 · #**106** 02-20-2007, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

I say it again:

so what if Hard Spun had a below par performance in a race like the Southwest? It's not a graded event, and Hard Spun needs graded earnings. I'd be shocked if he isn't in the money at least in both the Rebel and the Arkansas Derby.

IF he moves forward off of the race yesterday, yeah I guess I wouldn't be shocked if he hit the board in the Rebel or the Arkansas Derby.

slotdirt · #**107** 02-20-2007, 11:55 AM

He's obviously not a superhorse, but if this were any other horse in just about any other race, we'd be talking about the miserable trip, getting hung outside, and the ride by Pino. As it is, folks are dismissing - prematurely, in my opinion - a horse because of one off the board effort in an ungraded race. I think Hard Spun will be back.

slotdirt · #**108** 02-20-2007, 12:02 PM

P.s. It's so hard to tell what any connection is looking for from a particular race. It didn't even look like Pino was trying, to be honest.

The Bid · #**109** 02-20-2007, 12:05 PM

Tueflesberg laid the 100 egg

Danzig · #**110** 02-20-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

He's obviously not a superhorse, but if this were any other horse in just about any other race, we'd be talking about the miserable trip, getting hung outside, and the ride by Pino. As it is, folks are dismissing - prematurely, in my opinion - a horse because of one off the board effort in an ungraded race. I think Hard Spun will be back.

amazing how many horses get dismissed after a loss, and amazing how few make it to the derby without a loss!

Downthestretch55 · #**111** 02-20-2007, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by merasmag

u are so wrong it's not even funny...but since history says i just bet your toss-outs and win...

Hey Mera,
Gander is ok...shucks, none of us gets every pick correct.
That said, if ya go to page one of this thread and read my post #10...
Nope, I'm not gloating. I've been wrong too many times.
Anyway, I'll be watching for Exhale. Just worked (easy) for 6f in 1:13.
There are plenty of good races coming up.
DTS

ArlJim78 · #**112** 02-20-2007, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

He's obviously not a superhorse, but if this were any other horse in just about any other race, we'd be talking about the miserable trip, getting hung outside, and the ride by Pino. As it is, folks are dismissing - prematurely, in my opinion - a horse because of one off the board effort in an ungraded race. I think Hard Spun will be back.

I disagree. If this were any other race I certainly think the trip would not even be discussed because it was routine for a horse with the nine hole. We all just see races differently. I just did not see a miserable trip for Hard Spun. Sure the first turn was less than ideal but I thought Pino guided him into a reasonable position without asking him for much on the first turn. From my viewpoint, the second half of the first turn Hard Spun was not more than 2-3 wide. Going up the backstretch he stayed wide but there really was not an option and beside that is not where you lose ground on the straight. Moving into the second turn he looked to be 3-4 wide and he started to gain ground on the leader until he just flattened out. If you think its because Pino wasn't trying thats up to you. I don't think its what the trainer wanted to see, namely to be passed in the stretch by Officer Rocket and Forty Grams.

Of course no one has to give up on a horse after one race, and he could come back to run a better race next time.

My only point is that according to the numbers that I use, his race in the Southwest was only slightly worse than his first route. The increase in difficulty of the trip and the higher level of competition cost him a bit. In my view the race he ran yesterday fairly accurately reflects the current level of talent for this horse.
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Sightseek · #**113** 02-20-2007, 04:32 PM

Anyone else amused by the fact that the trainer coming off suspension trains "Forty Grams"

Downthestretch55 · #**114** 02-20-2007, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

Anyone else amused by the fact that the trainer coming off suspension trains "Forty Grams"

Amused?
Nope.
Some get caught, some don't.
Caution is the operative word.

The Indomitable DrugS · #**115** 02-20-2007, 05:25 PM

Teuflesberg obviously is not going to win the Kentucky Derby---and will be overrated next time out off this win.

He was basically allowed to dilly dally on a rather uncontested lead, through very soft fractions! By comparison, the wire-to-wire winner of race #3, which was an ugly bottom level condition claiming race, set faster fractions than Teuflesberg did.

Teuflesberg's final time of 1:38.20 for one mile---also doesn't look so impressive when you consider a maiden sprinter, off a five month plus layoff, ran 1:09.92 an hour or so earlier on the card. Basically, running a quarter mile less, in 28.28 seconds less.

I wouldn't consider him a top 25 Derby candidate right now

The Bid · #**116** 02-20-2007, 05:33 PM

How many 3yos running right now have laid the 100 ball going two turns?

Hes earned a little respect. He may not win the Derby, but hes much better than people give him credit for. If this horse were in the hands of Pletcher, or Zito, or any other big namer he would be a top 5 Derby horse.

Sightseek · #**117** 02-20-2007, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

How many 3yos running right now have laid the 100 ball going two turns?

Hes earned a little respect. He may not win the Derby, but hes much better than people give him credit for. If this horse were in the hands of Pletcher, or Zito, or any other big namer he would be a top 5 Derby horse.

I really doubt that...

smartyalex · #**118** 02-20-2007, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

How many 3yos running right now have laid the 100 ball going two turns?

Hes earned a little respect. He may not win the Derby, but hes much better than people give him credit for. If this horse were in the hands of Pletcher, or Zito, or any other big namer he would be a top 5 Derby horse.

AGREE 100%

The Bid · #**119** 02-20-2007, 05:40 PM

If you think Circular Quay is a serious Derby contender you would have to say T'berger is too

Sightseek · #**120** 02-20-2007, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Amused?
Nope.
Some get caught, some don't.
Caution is the operative word.

How about they shouldn't be doing it in the first place?