Shake You Down

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by repent

and thats fine westcoast.
more power to anyone who wants to purchase him.

I just do not understand how anyone can be so sure that horse wants to be rescued from his life of racing(which is what he was born to do) so that he can be bored in a stall the rest of his life.



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When a graded stakes horse is to the point that he can only compete in a $5,000 claiming race, it almost certainly means that he has a serious injury. He probably has a tendon or suspensory. If they keep running the horse, he will probably end up getting hurt very badly and possibly breaking down and dying. That is the problem.

If you had a horse that had made you over $1 million, would you run him for $5,000 if you knew he had a serious physical problem and would be at risk of serious injury and possibly breaking down if he continues to run? I think most people would retire the horse in that situation.

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Merry Christmas, Dixie. Since it's the season for giving, would you mind sending me last months MENSA Bulletin? That is, if you are through reading it. Thanks.

Merry Xmas Buddy.

I'm going out with Lady Tak and Phasterhoov tonight. You will be sorely missed

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

When a graded stakes horse is to the point that he can only compete in a $5,000 claiming race, it almost certainly means that he has a serious injury. He probably has a tendon or suspensory. If they keep running the horse, he will probably end up getting hurt very badly and possibly breaking down and dying. That is the problem.

If you had a horse that had made you over $1 million, would you run him for $5,000 if you knew he had a serious physical problem and would be at risk of serious injury and possibly breaking down if he continues to run? I think most people would retire the horse in that situation.

Richi,
I would not run ANY horse that fit that description.
not b/c I care about the horse, but b/c it puts the riders in danger and its not fair to the wagering public.

if the horse is not fit to run, then its on the vet to prevent him from running.
thats all pure speculation though on your part.
for all anyone knows, the horse has just slowed down for whatever reason.


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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Anyone who ends their posts with their handle deserves the utmost praise.

Pillow Pants 2006 Word.

the signing at the end of the post goes back to something that occured at the thoroughbredtimes forum.
I would not expect you to understand.

I could say the same thing to you about using another forum member's words as a signature.

then again, as long as its not my words that you are using, I really dont give 2 sh*ts what you use as a signature.


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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

When a graded stakes horse is to the point that he can only compete in a $5,000 claiming race, it almost certainly means that he has a serious injury. He probably has a tendon or suspensory. If they keep running the horse, he will probably end up getting hurt very badly and possibly breaking down and dying. That is the problem.

If you had a horse that had made you over $1 million, would you run him for $5,000 if you knew he had a serious physical problem and would be at risk of serious injury and possibly breaking down if he continues to run? I think most people would retire the horse in that situation.

I have trained and run many bowed horses and horses with suspensory problems. Only one was ever vanned off after a race and he bowed a fresh tendon in that race.

Won many races with these rejects. First and Finest, who I claimed from Harbor View, won a stake in Md. Concerned, who I bought from King Ranch for $5000, went on to win 7 more races up to starter's handicaps in NY.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by repent

Richi,
I would not run ANY horse that fit that description.
not b/c I care about the horse, but b/c it puts the riders in danger and its not fair to the wagering public.

if the horse is not fit to run, then its on the vet to prevent him from running.
thats all pure speculation though on your part.
for all anyone knows, the horse has just slowed down for whatever reason.


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The truth of the matter is that there are many horses out there that fit this description, especially in the cheap claiming races. There are a ton of horses out there that should not be running. The problem is that many of these smaller tracks would have nothing but 4 horse fields if horses with tendons or suspensories were not allowed to run.

If Shake You Down is totally sound and has just slowed down, then you have a point. But I don't think there is any chance that the horse is sound. There aren't all that many sound horses out there to begin with, let alone an old gelding like him.

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The truth of the matter is that there are many horses out there that fit this description, especially in the cheap claiming races. There are a ton of horses out there that should not be running. The problem is that many of these smaller tracks would have nothing but 4 horse fields if horses with tendons or suspensories were not allowed to run.

If Shake You Down is totally sound and has just slowed down, then you have a point. But I don't think there is any chance that the horse is sound. There aren't all that many sound horses out there to begin with, let alone an old gelding like him.

well,
you would know better than I would.
Im just saying I do not know what his physical condition is.
and I do not care at all.

have to run where the horse is competitive.
guess this is where the trainer or owner thinks he fits.



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Originally Posted by repent

the signing at the end of the post goes back to something that occured at the thoroughbredtimes forum.
I would not expect you to understand.

I could say the same thing to you about using another forum member's words as a signature.

then again, as long as its not my words that you are using, I really dont give 2 sh*ts what you use as a signature.


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Ohhh the thoroughbred times forum. Well it's hella cool to sign each post now.

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And about the signature...I thought about using a Velvet Revolver lyric but decided not to since you have the ****ty supergroup lyric signature market cornered.

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Ohhh the thoroughbred times forum. Well it's hella cool to sign each post now.

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And about the signature...I thought about using a Velvet Revolver lyric but decided not to since you have the ****ty supergroup lyric signature market cornered.

at this point,
Audioslave can harldy be considered a supergroup.
they are done with their 3rd album now.

not sure what definition you are using, but it does not fit ASlave anymore.

like i said, I dont care what you use as a signature and Im surprised you would care what I end my posts with.



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[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

I have trained and run many bowed horses and horses with suspensory problems. Only one was ever vanned off after a race and he bowed a fresh tendon in that race.

Won many races with these rejects. First and Finest, who I claimed from Harbor View, won a stake in Md. Concerned, who I bought from King Ranch for $5000, went on to win 7 more races up to starter's handicaps in NY.

I know that in a lot of cases if the tendon is not that bad, the horse can last for a while. But we know there are other cases when it is that bad and running the horse would put him at serious risk.

For example, one of my trainers had a horse about a year ago who had a pretty serious issue. I can't even remember what it was. I think it was a tendon. The horse was a home-bred and the owners were somewhat fond of the horse. I think the horse was basically a $50k type horse. Anyway, with the injury he had, they had two choices. They could either retire him or they could run him for $10,000 and hope to win and get him claimed. My trainer thought he would definitely win if they ran him for $10,000 but they were very worried about what would happen to the horse. They didn't think he would break down that day, but they thought he would be very likely to break down in the near future if the person who claimed him continued to run him, which I'm sure he would have. Anyway, they decided to retire the horse. They didn't want to see the horse get hurt. This type of thing is pretty rare these days. Most people would just run the horse and try to get him claimed and they wouldn't care what happens to the horse. People are pretty much playing "hot-potato" with a lot of these claiming horses that have serious issues.

[Assttodixie]

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

I have trained and run many bowed horses and horses with suspensory problems. Only one was ever vanned off after a race and he bowed a fresh tendon in that race.

Won many races with these rejects. First and Finest, who I claimed from Harbor View, won a stake in Md. Concerned, who I bought from King Ranch for $5000, went on to win 7 more races up to starter's handicaps in NY.

Hey Boss-

Bobby called and he wants you to get on the horn with Cole and buy SYD before these no nothings get their paws on him. He says he wants you to bring him out west and have him ready for the big cap.

[quote=Dixie Porter]This BS thread is getting worse post by post. I'd be very surprised if anyone buys this horse for his welfare. MAYBE for the PR value attached to it but that is remote at best.

I claimed Kilmoray for $10,000. Ran him down to $3500 and then Allen bought him for $4500 (he didn't claim from me) and turned him out. I'm pretty sure he was 11. This is the only such story I know of after being involved with 100's of horses "hands on" one way or another.

Won 5 races with A Deck when he was about 8 years old. Baitman won stakes @ 8 and Bobby and I helped him back to the barn @ Monmouth when he finally went. Sent him back to his breeders for pension. Got a nice letter saying he was happy and liked peppermints. Never knew horses bothered with peppermints before that. Always thought sugar and carrots were just fine.

Anyone wants they can look up what Hirsch did with Joe Jones and Paper Tiger. There's a zillion others but I'm not going to waste my time.

This kind of garbage is the down side of these forums. Readers sometimes believe that the clowns with the most posts are NOT the most ignorant members when it comes to racing. In reality, more often than not, they are.



Hey Braintrust,

How's SYD doing on the farm?

Originally Posted by Kasept

Then considered yourself 'surprised' as it's in the process of being done RIGHT NOW. And there's no P.R. involved as you're not going to know who it is that bought him FOR HIS WELFARE...




Believe me when I say that the only 'downside' of THIS Forum is regularly evident to everyone...







And finally, call the members of this Forum morons again and you can join your insane pal on the outside looking in...

I wonder how long this stays up.

Someone must have read the wrong tattoo the last few weeks.

[quote=Kasept]Then considered yourself 'surprised' as it's in the process of being done RIGHT NOW. And there's no P.R. involved as you're not going to know who it is that bought him FOR HIS WELFARE...


Why does this horse have two threads?

What farm was he retired to for his welfare?