Officially Crap

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Quick Little Miss(my and Beyer's pick for the Juve Fillies) just won the Moccasin.I told everybody that her race at Fairplex was to die for.I also told you that Anita was speed biased when she ran 3rd to Cash whatever.Filly is for real.Churchill track was officially crap on B.C. DAY,and this is only the 1st of many that will show you just that.

[Gauchos0522]

Also helped that they were walking down the lane including the big fav. She did make a nice run but I don't think the pace setup could have been any better for her.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Gauchos0522

Also helped that they were walking down the lane including the big fav. She did make a nice run but I don't think the pace setup could have been any better for her.

What do you expect from crazy 2 year old fillies that haven't been 2 turns? She was ready to kick a$$ at this distance,and she will keep improving.I am only sad that that piece of sht track at Churchill kept America from seeing great performances by this filly and many others.It is gunna stand out like a sore thumb on this filly's past performances,and on many others.You won't be asking anymore about that track.It will be obvious just how much a piece of crap it was.

[Gauchos0522]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

What do you expect from crazy 2 year old fillies that haven't been 2 turns? She was ready to kick a$$ at this distance,and she will keep improving.I am only sad that that piece of sht track at Churchill kept America from seeing great performances by this filly and many others.It is gunna stand out like a sore thumb on this filly's past performances,and on many others.You won't be asking anymore about that track.It will be obvious just how much a piece of crap it was.

It was a one turn race at 7f but I don't disagree that she is a nice filly and made a very nice run I am just saying that the pace setup for her was absolutely perfect.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Gauchos0522

It was a one turn race at 7f but I don't disagree that she is a nice filly and made a very nice run I am just saying that the pace setup for her was absolutely perfect.

Yes it was 7f,but most of these hadn't been past 6 1/2f.She deserves a set up(if that's what people think) after going all the way to Kentucky and having to race on that piece of crap track that day.Then she comes back in just 2 weeks to take this race.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Kev,these animals I pick in big races always come back to show they can run.They are doing it 1 race later(JAZIL,QL MISS.)Next up will be TM BLING.

[ArlJim78]

I just cashed on her and I like this horse, but I disagree about the Churchill race explanation. She had the 13 post and was hopelessly wide.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Quick Little Miss(my and Beyer's pick for the Juve Fillies) just won the Moccasin.I told everybody that her race at Fairplex was to die for.I also told you that Anita was speed biased when she ran 3rd to Cash whatever.Filly is for real.Churchill track was officially crap on B.C. DAY,and this is only the 1st of many that will show you just that.

LOL....just sent you an email about her Scuds....I do hope you had her today at 7-1.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by GPK

LOL....just sent you an email about her Scuds....I do hope you had her today at 7-1.

Yea,but Not like I should have had her.Thank you Nak. for blowing the ride in the 6th,and keeping me from hitting the tri,and loading up on this filly.WHATCHAGUNNAF'NDO?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Yea,but Not like I should have had her.Thank you Nak. for blowing the ride in the 6th,and keeping me from hitting the tri,and loading up on this filly.WHATCHAGUNNAF'NDO?

I am just glad you got some of her bro.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Quick Little Miss(my and Beyer's pick for the Juve Fillies) just won the Moccasin.I told everybody that her race at Fairplex was to die for.I also told you that Anita was speed biased when she ran 3rd to Cash whatever.Filly is for real.Churchill track was officially crap on B.C. DAY,and this is only the 1st of many that will show you just that.

Perhaps you should review the 7F times at Hollypark today before you declare the reason she was beaten at CD was the surface-
2YO 32K MCL: 1:24.67
32K CLM: 1:23.23
Quick Little Miss race: 1:24.13

End result is this was a horrible group for a G3. Going a 1/2 second faster than bottom level 2YO maiden claimers proves nothing.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by philcski

Perhaps you should review the 7F times at Hollypark today before you declare the reason she was beaten at CD was the surface-
2YO 32K MCL: 1:24.67
32K CLM: 1:23.23
Quick Little Miss race: 1:24.13

End result is this was a horrible group for a G3. Going a 1/2 second faster than bottom level 2YO maiden claimers proves nothing.

I can't, and won't, argue with your very sound logic, but at least going into today's race it wouldn't be outrageous to dismiss her BC effort as she simply had no chance the way the race developed. Did any horse change position at any point during the running of that race?

Quick Little Miss wasn't particularly fast going into the BC and apparently after today's win she's still slow. So are the rest of her mediocre peers.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I can't, and won't, argue with your very sound logic, but at least going into today's race it wouldn't be outrageous to dismiss her BC effort as she simply had no chance the way the race developed. Did any horse change position at any point during the running of that race?
Quick Little Miss wasn't particularly fast going into the BC and apparently after today's win she's still slow. So are the rest of her mediocre peers.

No, and as I had structured most of my plays in the BCJF expecting a hot pace I was quite disappointed when they let the most talented filly in the race just walk on the lead. Going 7 deep and getting the (very logical) 5/2 favorite was frustrating...

This is an awful group of 2YO fillies. I would take a prop bet at just about any price that the winner of the Oaks has NOT run yet. (The one in my picture- Panty Raid- may end up being one of the best if she comes back sound!)

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by philcski

(The one in my picture- Panty Raid- may end up being one of the best if she comes back sound!)

Yeah, that'll happen. She's the one that missed either the Spinaway or Matron with a " small problem " and went into the Bermuda Triangle.

At least she's not alone in there.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yeah, that'll happen. She's the one that missed either the Spinaway or Matron with a " small problem " and went into the Bermuda Triangle.

At least she's not alone in there.

I believe it's known as the Pletcher Triangle these days...

[SCUDSBROTHER]

The same old Churchill Shills.......They are 2 year old fillies trying to keep up with a horse going 44'3.That is gunna make for a slow 7f time.It is simply an awkward distance for them. Sure some other 2 year old filly ran a 124'3 in an earlier race,but it was a more relaxed 45'4,and 1:11'2 that enabled her to get it.She will do more damage to shut the shill's trap.She will get top 3 checks in grade 1 races,and you will still call her slow.The winner of the Kentucky Oaks can be called slow(I guess,) but she somehow was the winner.Giacomo won 2.55 million being "slow." Times don't tell you how the battle was fought.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

The same old Churchill Shills.......They are 2 year old fillies trying to keep up with a horse going 44'3.That is gunna make for a slow 7f time.It is simply an awkward distance for them. Sure some other 2 year old filly ran a 124'3 in an earlier race,but it was a more relaxed 45'4,and 1:11'2 that enabled her to get it.She will do more damage to shut the shill's trap.She will get top 3 checks in grade 1 races,and you will still call her slow.The winner of the Kentucky Oaks can be called slow(I guess,) but she somehow was the winner.Giacomo won 2.55 million being "slow." Times don't tell you how the battle was fought.

In this particular case, the times tell everything, and Quick Little Miss was the beneficiary of a fast pace that collapsed AND a slow final time. Had she set the pace at least one could say she still hung on after settng a grueling pace. The fact that she merely sucked up into a collapsing one, especially considering the final time, is hardly encouraging.

The very cheap horses that ran the similar final time earlier ran a slower pace because they are bad horses. The best explanation ultimately for the slow final time of the stake would be that, relatively speaking, these are poor horses.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

In this particular case, the times tell everything, and Quick Little Miss was the beneficiary of a fast pace that collapsed AND a slow final time. Had she set the pace at least one could say she still hung on after settng a grueling pace. The fact that she merely sucked up into a collapsing one, especially considering the final time, is hardly encouraging.

The very cheap horses that ran the similar final time earlier ran a slower pace because they are bad horses. The best explanation ultimately for the slow final time of the stake would be that, relatively speaking, these are poor horses.

Following that logic,then the horses who ran in the Kentucky Oaks last year are poor horses.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Quick Little Miss(my and Beyer's pick for the Juve Fillies) just won the Moccasin.I told everybody that her race at Fairplex was to die for.I also told you that Anita was speed biased when she ran 3rd to Cash whatever.Filly is for real.Churchill track was officially crap on B.C. DAY,and this is only the 1st of many that will show you just that.

Yeah Scuds I remember you touting her before the Juvie Fillies. Good Call.
I had supported her nicely in the juvie fillies also but the track was not favoring to her that day. I really felt she was the live lonshot in that race at CD. Mel Stute thought high enough of her to send her back after only 2 weeks rest and she scores at 6-1. I like the way she weaved through horses today. Great sign of maturity.

Also, Yesterday another Mel Stute Horse in the Prevue ran good too (High Austin). I have this horse on my watch list. I believe next out he may have him sit far back and make one big run. Maybe.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Yeah Scuds I remember you touting her before the Juvie Fillies. Good Call.
I had supported her nicely in the juvie fillies also but the track was not favoring to her that day. I really felt she was the live lonshot in that race at CD. Mel Stute thought high enough of her to send her back after only 2 weeks rest and she scores at 6-1. I like the way she weaved through horses today. Great sign of maturity.

Also, Yesterday another Mel Stute Horse in the Prevue ran good too (High Austin). I have this horse on my watch list. I believe next out he may have him sit far back and make one big run. Maybe.

Well,the track record for this new surface is 121 4/5.It used to be 119 4/5.I would expect it to maybe go down a full second when top sprinters run(120 4/5.) About a full second slower than the old dirt surface. You have to ask yourself whether you think that Prevue stakes was a good one.I think it was.It was run in 122.42..Last year Your Tent or Mine ran it 1.42 seconds quicker,and in 2004 Declans Moon's time was .68 seconds quicker than Belgravia's effort was.So,if you think Belgravia's effort was as good as Declan's Moon,then this Cushion track is .68 seconds slower than the old surface.If you think Belgravia's performance was equal to Your Tent or Mine's performance,then this surface is 1.42 seconds slower than the old surface.If you take an average of the 2,it would be 1 second slower.So, the girls ran a 124.13 today on this cushion track.That would be anywhere from a 123.45 to as low as a 122.71 on the old track that people are use to judging West Coast Times by.If you think the track is 1 second slower,then the girls ran an equivalent of a 123.13 in the Moccasin. No Bull Baby won the Moccasin in 2004 by running a 123.06,and last year,Private World ran a 122 1/5 in the Moccasin.These times were both about 1.3 seconds lower than their male counterparts.QLM ran 1.71 seconds slower than Belgravia.So,the boys ran about .4 seconds quicker than the normal 1.30 seconds that they beat the female counterparts by.You can blame that on QLM,or give credit to Belgravia,or a little both.The fact is that this 1:24 for 7f is not the normal West Coast 1:24,because the track is probably a full second slower than it was with the dirt surface.As far as what you are use to seeing,the girls ran about a 1:23.Maybe a little less or more,but the track is somewhere between a half second,and a second and a half slower.Go back and look at the tape.The favorite is slowing down some,but that isn't a death march that would be timed in 1:24 on the old surface.Like I said,As far as the West Coast times you are used to it probably is about a 1:23(or about what No Bull Baby ran.)Not great,but not the maggot slow time that these haters are comfortable pinning on QLM.