Solargate

[Danzig]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...CWN_story.html

The great pipeline sellout

In 2008, the slogan was “Yes We Can.” For 2011-12, it’s “We Can’t Wait.” What happened in between? Candidate Obama, the vessel into which myriad dreams were poured, met the reality of governance.

His near-$1 trillion stimulus begat a stagnant economy with 9 percent unemployment. His attempt at Wall Street reform left in place a still-too-big-to-fail financial system, as vulnerable today as when he came into office. His green-energy fantasies yielded Solyndra cronyism and a cap-and-trade regime not even a Democratic Congress would pass.



and at the end:


Nor is this the first time Obama’s election calendar trumped the national interest:

● Obama’s decision to wind down the Afghan surge in September 2012 is militarily inexplicable. It comes during the fighting season. It was recommended by none of his military commanders. It is explicable only as a talking point for the final days of his reelection campaign.

● At the height of the debt-ceiling debate last July, Obama pledged to veto any agreement that was not long-term. Definition of long term? By another amazing coincidence, any deal large enough to get him past Election Day (and thus avoid another such crisis next year).

●On Tuesday it was revealed that last year the administration pressured Solyndra, as it was failing, to delay its planned Oct. 28 announcement of layoffs until Nov. 3, the day after the midterm election.

A contemporaneous e-mail from a Solyndra investor noted: “Oddly they didn’t give a reason for that date.” The writer was obviously born yesterday. The American electorate was not — and it soon gets to decide who really puts party over nation and reelection above all.

We can’t wait.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Your pathetic attempt to blame Obama for this is beyond absurd, and everyone who knows the Solyndra timeline is awares of it.

And your ignorance to who George Kaiser is, the fact he is a billionaire and visited the White House more than Obama's blood family combined makes you once again the poster child of a chump!

Everyone doesn't know the Solyndra timeline but hopefully they will by the next election. And hopefully knowing who George Kaiser is will bring about the change Obama ran on, the first time.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

And your ignorance to who George Kaiser is,

I know who George Kaiser is. What is this even supposed to mean? You just say things that make no sense

Everyone doesn't know the Solyndra timeline but hopefully they will by the next election.

Good grief. Maybe you'll learn it, too. The Energy Department eventually approved the loan (after Bush tried to get it pushed through without adequate due diligence, and Energy refused) after Solyndra lied to the government and falsified the additional paperwork Energy asked for. The majority of key investors in Solyndra were Republicans, btw.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I know who George Kaiser is. What is this even supposed to mean? You just say things that make no sense

The majority of key investors in Solyndra were Republicans, btw.

The majority investor was George Kaiser. Show me the list of Republicans please.

BTW if your statement had any truth to it do you think Republicans would be pushing Chu and Co. as they are?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

The majority investor was George Kaiser. Show me the list of Republicans please.

It's nice to see you admit your ignorance of the subject. I've posted that twice for you, here, previously.

Major investors included George Kaiser Foundation, U.S. Venture Partners, CMEA Ventures, Redpoint Ventures, Virgin Green Fund, Madrone Capital Partners, RockPort Capital Partners, Argonaut Private Equity, Masdar and Artis Capital Management.

You'll just have to do a little investigation, to see who owns all those investment companies. In fact, all you have to do is google "Solyndra", and ignore any hits off right-wing blogs.

BTW if your statement had any truth to it do you think Republicans would be pushing Chu and Co. as they are?

Sigh ... the Republicans are desperate to try something, anything, to attack Obama for the election. But of course, that can't possibly be the reason the only people who think there is a "scandal" is Red State, Big Government, and Faux News.

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7AM03220111123

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7AM03220111123

Google said that it believed other institutions were better positioned to take its renewable energy efforts "to the next level."

LOL - "better positioned" than an internet company? Yeah, who would have thought that getting into the energy business was probably a step too far for an internet search engine?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Google said that it believed other institutions were better positioned to take its renewable energy efforts "to the next level."

LOL - "better positioned" than an internet company? Yeah, who would have thought that getting into the energy business was probably a step too far for an internet search engine?

Yeah they are just a small fish...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah they are just a small fish...

In the energy industry? Yes, they are.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

In the energy industry? Yes, they are.

Money doesnt know where its invested. They got out because they realized it was a bad investment, not because they dont have enough experience. At some point you have to believe the figures, not the political spin.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Money doesnt know where its invested. They got out because they realized it was a bad investment, not because they dont have enough experience. At some point you have to believe the figures, not the political spin.

We have oil and coal industries that would not even be profitable without receiving the decades of massive federal subsidies that they do. Take away those federal handouts to oil and coal, the preferred companies of the rich, and see how fast "alternative energy" becomes very, very affordable.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

We have oil and coal industries that would not even be profitable without receiving the decades of massive federal subsidies that they do. Take away those federal handouts to oil and coal, the preferred companies of the rich, and see how fast "alternative energy" becomes very, very affordable.

Seriously? You dont think the "rich" would invest in "alternative energy" if it was profitable?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Seriously? You dont think the "rich" would invest in "alternative energy" if it was profitable?

Using Google getting rid of several of their ancillary growth offshoots, including a strange foray into an entirely different field - energy - and refocusing the company on what they do - internet - is sure proof that the entire alternative energy field is non-profitable.



There are plenty of people making profit off alternative energy. I guess not you?

Take away the massive federal subsidy enabling handouts to coal, oil and gas, and watch which "energy" becomes profitable. Good lord, talk about living off the government teat - that's the very definition of the oil, coal and gas industries.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Using Google getting rid of several of their ancillary growth offshoots, including a strange foray into an entirely different field - energy - and refocusing the company on what they do - internet - is sure proof that the entire alternative energy field is non-profitable.



There are plenty of people making profit off alternative energy. I guess not you?

Take away the massive federal subsidy enabling handouts to coal, oil and gas, and watch which "energy" becomes profitable. Good lord, talk about living off the government teat - that's the very definition of the oil, coal and gas industries.

An amazing statement considering that virtually all alternative energy industries are almost exclusively propped up by Gov't subsidies.

[Cannon Shell]

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...14-703789.html

http://news.yahoo.com/ldk-solar-repo...162048454.html

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/...times-for-2012

[Riot]

Wind-Works.org

After only three years of development, a small town in Florida has moved into the ranks of the solar big leagues worldwide.

The municipal utility serving Gainesville, Florida expects that by year end 2011 the town will have installed 7.3 MW of solar photovoltaic (solar PV) systems.

However, Gainesville will have to increase its installation rate 20 times to catch up with the German state of Bavaria, which is the region with the world's highest concentration of solar PV of 0.60 kW per person. Puglia Italy is not far behind Bavaria with 0.49 kW per person.

This makes Gainesville 7th worldwide in Solar PV per capita compared with leading markets.

[geeker2]

Solar and Wind only works because of the government subsidies. When they end - which will be very soon... those businesses will fall off a cliff.

Look for Natural Gas specifically Gas Turbine Combined Cycle Plants to boom. Look at the major players like Siemens, GE, MHI and Alstom it is exactly what they are positioning themselves for.

The good of it is that the natural gas path creates jobs....there is little or no after-market business with wind or solar. Even the initial construction is minimal as far as jobs are concerned for Wind and Solar.

If you let the free market prevail....it will...and it will be natural gas.