The new party of no?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Riot

Sorry, that 90 percent figure is simply false and much exaggerated. Please - even the Obama haters have a responsibility for accuracy. This lists each and every campaign promise, and status http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

But I do agree that politicians are simply into choking on lobbying money. The ruling this year on corporations being able to provide limitless, undisclosed source campaign cash changed everything and made it a thousand times worse.

stalled,in the works ,broken, comromise..all the same..

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Then why are you so angry at the Republican proposal for salary freezes for those "bloated" government employees as proposed by Obama?

Yes, that's a GOP idea, and Obama came out with it himself yesterday, angering the GOP.

BTW, Senators and Congressmen make $174,000 per year (excluding bennies), and they froze their salaries earlier this year.

Because it's like spending $10 per gallon of gas and expected to be pleased when you're told it's going to stay at $10 and not go any higher.

The GOP sucks for the idea as much as Obama does for announcing it. See I don't goose step to the GOP like you do for DEMS.

As far as Congressmen and Senators go, they are among the few government employees who are underpaid compared to the private sector as I'm fairly sure a good number of them (minus the obvious ie Waters, Rangel, Frank) would and could make double their current salaries.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

stalled,in the works ,broken, comromise..all the same..

Compared to the last few Prez's Obama's record after 2 years is pretty darn good, especially considering that our Constitution only requires a 51 vote majority in the Senate, but thanks to the GOP and their hundred-plus filibusters the Dems had to get 60 votes on virtually everything that got passed.

Something big is going to happen before the next election - the political process has completely broken down. They need to change the filibuster rules certainly.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Because it's like spending $10 per gallon of gas and expected to be pleased when you're told it's going to stay at $10 and not go any higher.

The GOP sucks for the idea as much as Obama does for announcing it. See I don't goose step to the GOP like you do for DEMS.

As far as Congressmen and Senators go, they are among the few government employees who are underpaid compared to the private sector as I'm fairly sure a good number of them (minus the obvious ie Waters, Rangel, Frank) would and could make double their current salaries.

Geeshus, Dell - your own budget cuts that you posted here - which is a cut here, a cut there - are a billion here and there in amount. You can't be so hypocritical to be angry at the politicians for doing just what you recommended!? And you think politicians are underpaid, and the regular workers are overpaid?

So mostly you are just angry and ranting and logic isn't figuring into it. Got it.

See I don't goose step to the GOP like you do for DEMS.

Huh? Okay - you are officially considered whacky and bizarre. Your statement makes no sense at all, I attributed the idea to the GOP and said Obama took it from them.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

That graph has been out in public for months, used by multiple news organizations, and it's accuracy has been vetted. Sorry, your attempt to dismiss it out of hand is a fail. Your graph is something different. But what is the point of your trying to dismiss that graph of what is contributing to our debt? Are you contending it's wrong? The figures on that graph are the very figures being discussed this past week in the media by our Senators/Congressmen. Those figures are very public and are in the media today. You don't like the graph, you can check the CBO and get them yourself.

You posted a graph of one budget year. That's not the same as a listing of our debt over time. But I have no idea what you are trying to show by posting your budget year breakdown, and what that has to do with what is causing our debt over time. Yes, we have to cut stuff out of the yearly budgets.

Of course it is wrong. Like I said it leaves out everything not Bush. You do know the current Pres is spending $ on a war he campaigned against years ago. Where's the asterix for Bush/Obama? Where's the $2 Trillion ObamaCare cost's effect? Where's the Obama Stimulus failure?

The Iraq war was costly but less than a trillion total.

[Riot]

Of course it is wrong.

You do realize that just saying so doesn't make it so? This isn't the land of Glenn Beck here.

You are free to differ with the rest of the world, the Congress, who are using those very figures. You might note some of them all over the media regarding the Bush tax cut issue today.

Like I said it leaves out everything not Bush.

No it doesn't. The wars, the different stimulus, TARP, the bailouts from Bush and Obama, the health plan, our routine costs of government, all there. Those are our projected deficits over the years, and the sources.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Of course it is wrong. Like I said it leaves out everything not Bush. You do know the current Pres is spending $ on a war he campaigned against years ago. Where's the asterix for Bush/Obama? Where's the $2 Trillion ObamaCare cost's effect? Where's the Obama Stimulus failure?

The Iraq war was costly but less than a trillion total.

Obama will always say it was Bush' fault, he has failed miserably as Pres. He will say it next year it was Bush' fault. Hopefully the American public wakes up in November 2012 and realize what a farce this idiot has been. The elbow to his head wont help him find any brain cells.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Geeshus, Dell - your own budget cuts that you posted here - which is a cut here, a cut there - are a billion here and there in amount. You can't be so hypocritical to be angry at the politicians for doing just what you recommended!? And you think politicians are underpaid, and the regular workers are overpaid?.

I recommend CUTTING their salaries by 20% and their benefits by 75% to simply bring them in line with the public. Freezing their salaries at their present levels is a joke!

Politicians (Senators and Congressmen) are government employees and from jobs and careers (like I said most cases) that pay more than their government salaries so yes I think they may be the few, Supreme Court Justices (maybe not the teacher) also fit that bill.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Obama will always say it was Bush' fault, he has failed miserably as Pres. He will say it next year it was Bush' fault. Hopefully the American public wakes up in November 2012 and realize what a farce this idiot has been. The elbow to his head wont help him find any brain cells.

Just what's needed, more random fifth-grade level, "I hate the President and I don't want to talk about specifics" crap. You haven't changed your tune since day one. I hope you at least voted in the last election.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

No it doesn't. The wars, the different stimulus, TARP, the bailouts from Bush and Obama, the health plan, our routine costs of government, all there. Those are our projected deficits over the years, and the sources.

The cost of ObamaCare is estimated to be $2 Trillion by the CBO yet it is missing from the graph?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Not including military troops in a wage freeze proposal is giving them the finger? You're nuts.

I'm afraid he will cut the defense budget and possibly military wages. Especially if he is able to con his way to a second term.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I recommend CUTTING their salaries by 20% and their benefits by 75% to simply bring them in line with the public. Freezing their salaries at their present levels is a joke!.

Are you for or against giving those making $250K a year a new tax cut equal to the expiring cuts. Yes or no?

A joke? Sounds good ranting on a website, but there is a real world. These are not imaginary people. Cutting someones salary by 20%, and taking away 75% their health care and pension is a big, big deal. And absolutely the wrong thing to do during a recession, btw. As is not renewing unemployment.

Seems basic Eco 101 policy realities are taking a back seat to disproven trickle-down fantasy nowadays.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I'm afraid he will cut the defense budget and possibly military wages. Especially if he is able to con his way to a second term.

That's the imaginary future. Yesterday he announced military salaries are not included in the freeze. But nice you worry about the troops, while you are willing to take other employees benefits and salaries away.

I'm mad at the next future elected Republican President, for daring to give unfunded tax cuts and starting a war with North Korea! He sucks!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Are you for or against giving those making $250K a year a new tax cut equal to the expiring cuts. Yes or no?
A joke? Sounds good ranting on a website, but there is a real world. These are not imaginary people. Cutting someones salary by 20%, and taking away 75% their health care and pension is a big, big deal. And absolutely the wrong thing to do during a recession, btw. As is not renewing unemployment.

Seems basic Eco 101 policy realities are taking a back seat to disproven trickle-down fantasy nowadays.

Yes if at the same time Dems find cuts of equal value.
Bi-Partisan and a win-win!


Get this clear reducing Federal salaries and beni's by 20 and 75 percent respectively only make them equal to the people paying their salaries. No one loses a job. It's the fair and the right thing to do especially in a recession.


BTW I value the work of a single soldier more than I do the entire cleaning and security staff working and securing the Dirkson Federal Building this evening so I can't even compare the two jobs. Sorry.

[Riot]

salaries and beni's by 20 and 75 percent respectively only make them equal to the people paying their salaries.

Why should they be paid a generalized average of what the private sector pays for similar, and in different states? Go look at the salaries listed for government jobs (yes, they are on websites, there is a jobs.gov website) - they sure are not out of line with the private sector in my eyes.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

Just what's needed, more random fifth-grade level, "I hate the President and I don't want to talk about specifics" crap. You haven't changed your tune since day one. I hope you at least voted in the last election.

I did exercise my privledge of voting in the recent elections. Hasnt he been saying it was Bush' fault that this country"s economy and unemployment are in shambles? What has he done to attempt to fix it? he has had over 1 1/2 to fix it. Next year when Obama doesnt have the numbers any more he will still blame the Republicans. Now there is talk about raising health insurance premiums for military retirees yet thier retirement pay will stay the same. Some president we have ruining this great country of ours.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I did exercise my privledge of voting in the recent elections. Hasnt he been saying it was Bush' fault that this country"s economy and unemployment are in shambles? What has he done to attempt to fix it? he has had over 1 1/2 to fix it.

Glad you voted. Alot has gotten "fixed", and saying otherwise is simply disingenuous. You don't have to like a current President or support him, but you have to at least acknowledge reality. Every single economist (find me one who disagrees) has said the various stimulus plans have indeed kept us from a depression. The argument is that we should have done more, which is why unemployment is languishing

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[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Why should they be paid a generalized average of what the private sector pays for similar, and in different states? Go look at the salaries listed for government jobs (yes, they are on websites, there is a jobs.gov website) - they sure are not out of line with the private sector in my eyes.

Well then enlighten yourself?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...eral-pay_N.htm

These salary figures do not include the value of health, pension and other benefits, which averaged $40,785 per federal employee in 2008 vs. $9,882 per private worker, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis.

Just because what you see in KY doesn't make things so.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I'm afraid he will cut the defense budget and possibly military wages. Especially if he is able to con his way to a second term.

defense could use some serious cutting actually. we spend roughly the same each year on our military as every other country combined. yes, EVERY other country in the entire world has to be added together to match what we spend, alone, on our military. makes you wonder why we want/need allies, nato, the u.n., etc. we could cut our funding in half, and still spend 1/4 of the entire worlds military budget all by ourselves. that's crazy.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

defense could use some serious cutting actually. we spend roughly the same each year on our military as every other country combined. yes, EVERY other country in the entire world has to be added together to match what we spend, alone, on our military. makes you wonder why we want/need allies, nato, the u.n., etc. we could cut our funding in half, and still spend 1/4 of the entire worlds military budget all by ourselves. that's crazy.

maybe it's because we are the military of the free world. When we send 150K troops to a war and Canada sends 500, Britian 5000 and the UN 3000 with no guns in white tanks (that we're paying for anyway) it's time to stop paying for dinner. But by no means should this affect the American soldiers' salary and or benefits. I say let little brother S. Korea show what he's got. Time to leave the nest. And once that bird flies we can decide who flies next.