Mandatory Healthcare?

[witchdoctor]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

......preaching to the choir which dr.

Can I get an AMEN?

[witchdoctor]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is the single biggest deception of this whole healthcare debacle. The numbers are so juiced that it is hard to believe that anyone with a straight face could even suggest that this is possible.

Cannon
They are politicians. Thet will pi$$ in your ear and then tell you its raining.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by witchdoctor

To the Congress:





The U.S. Postal Service was established in 1775 - you have had 234 years to
get it right; it is broke.

Social Security was established in 1935 - you have had 74 years to get it
right; it is broke.


Fannie Mae was established in 1938 - you have had 71 years to get it right;
it is broke.

The "War on Poverty" started in 1964 - you have had 45 years to get it
right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to
"the poor"; it hasn't worked and our entire country is broke.

Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965 - you've had 44 years to get
it right; they are broke

Freddie Mac was established in 1970 - you have had 39 years to get it right;
it is broke.

Billions of dollars were spent in the massive political payoffs called
TARP, the "Stimulus", the Omnibus Appropriations Act of 2009.... none show
any signs of working, although ACORN appears to have found a new source: the American taxpayer.

"Cash for Clunkers" was established in 2009 and went broke in 2009! It took
cars (that were the best some people could afford) and replaced them with
high-priced and less-affordable cars, mostly Japanese. A good percentage of
the profits went out of the country. And the American taxpayers take the hit
for Congress' generosity in burning three billion more of our dollars on
failed experiments.

So with a perfect 100% failure rate and a record that proves that "services"
you shove down our throats are failing faster and faster, you want Americans
to believe you can be trusted with a government-run health care system?
20% of our entire economy?


With all due respect,

Are you crazy?

Obamacare will not only work it will reduce the budget deficet by hundreds of billions.

Think about that statement for a minute.


How in the world does anyone believe this can possibly be true? It is laughable to not only believe that this program will work but actually save money!


It will lead to massive bleeding for the Democratic party for the next 10 years or so.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by witchdoctor

Cannon
They are politicians. Thet will pi$$ in your ear and then tell you its raining.

As long as the voters remember...

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Obamacare will not only work it will reduce the budget deficet by hundreds of billions.

Think about that statement for a minute.


How in the world does anyone believe this can possibly be true? It is laughable to not only believe that this program will work but actually save money!


It will lead to massive bleeding for the Democratic party for the next 10 years or so.

and that is nothing compared to the bleeding the younger generations will have to deal with for the rest of their lives. We will bleed literally waiting 3 months for specialist treatment, and our pockets will bleed with incredible taxes and inflation.

Thank you Democrats!! I'll remember to vote for you guys in the next election!

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Thank you Democrats!! I'll remember to vote for you guys in the next election! [/quote]
thats 1 for the team..and if 1 vote can be turned on a horsey board ,then 10 can be turned on the drf message board, and if 10 can be ...lol thats how o'samas speeches were ..right out of the mlk playbook.. and fyi my 20 yr old college student was a huge supporter of him..now its we were lied too..lol told ya so...

[Riot]

So with a perfect 100% failure rate and a record that proves that "services"
you shove down our throats are failing faster and faster, you want Americans
to believe you can be trusted with a government-run health care system?
20% of our entire economy?

If anybody thinks the American government, and the services it provides us, is a 100% failure, I suggest you leave this country and go elsewhere, where it is better.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So your premise that MA shouldnt be used as an example of mandated insurance coverage was wrong. Right?

No. What I said was:

I think if you are trying to make the argument, "as MA goes, so will go the entire country" under either the House or Senate healthcare reform you'll need a little more detail.

So?

[Riot]

This is the single biggest deception of this whole healthcare debacle. The numbers are so juiced that it is hard to believe that anyone with a straight face could even suggest that this is possible.

I love it - just ignore anything you don't like hearing, and just dismiss it out of hand. You guys are hilarious What a miserable next 7 years you are going to have.

But a good plan would be to make sure we elect Libertarians or TeaBaggers at the next election cycle, and start working on getting rid of the following Federal Government intrusions on our lives, and in our pocketbooks.

Let's keep the military (defense and veterans affairs) and interstate highways.

Medicare: This has to go immediately. We can attrition Medicare out over the next 20 years. Everyone can stop paying into it immediately (immediate tax cut). We'll just use what's left already in the system to take care of current recipients until they die. Then when the people on this board hit 65, there will be nothing there for you except what you have saved yourself.

We also can probably get rid of:

Our national park system and Department of the Interior - sell off the land (thousands of acres owned by BLM, too), reduce the deficit.

NASA - kinda just a fun thing to do, no real return to us, very expensive.

CDC - hospitals, doctors can take care of this, no need for coordinating agencies. No federal funding for health care, stem cell research, etc.

Civil rights - states can work this out at the state level.

Probably also get rid of:
Departments of Justice, Agriculture, Education, Transportion, Nuclear Regulation, State, Labor, Energy, Army Corp of Engineers, Consumer Product Safety, Federal Communications Commission, Equal Opportunity Employment, Housing and Urban Development, Treasury (this might be a really good idea).

That will save us tons of money, and eliminate most federal interference in our lives. We will be back to "on our own", as the original Patriots envisioned this country!

[ArlJim78]

quite simply its a giant step backwards for the nation. most people are beginning to realize that, which is why it is now so unpopular. every single person who is working to cram this disaster through based on an artificially imposed political timetable should expect to receive a pink slip next november.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Riot

I love it - just ignore anything you don't like hearing, and just dismiss it out of hand. You guys are hilarious What a miserable next 7 years you are going to have.

But a good plan would be to make sure we elect Libertarians or TeaBaggers at the next election cycle, and start working on getting rid of the following Federal Government intrusions on our lives, and in our pocketbooks.

Let's keep the military (defense and veterans affairs) and interstate highways.

Medicare: This has to go immediately. We can attrition Medicare out over the next 20 years. Everyone can stop paying into it immediately (immediate tax cut). We'll just use what's left already in the system to take care of current recipients until they die. Then when the people on this board hit 65, there will be nothing there for you except what you have saved yourself.

We also can probably get rid of:

Our national park system and Department of the Interior - sell off the land (thousands of acres owned by BLM, too), reduce the deficit.

NASA - kinda just a fun thing to do, no real return to us, very expensive.

CDC - hospitals, doctors can take care of this, no need for coordinating agencies. No federal funding for health care, stem cell research, etc.

Civil rights - states can work this out at the state level.

Probably also get rid of:
Departments of Justice, Agriculture, Education, Transportion, Nuclear Regulation, State, Labor, Energy, Army Corp of Engineers, Consumer Product Safety, Federal Communications Commission, Equal Opportunity Employment, Housing and Urban Development, Treasury (this might be a really good idea).

That will save us tons of money, and eliminate most federal interference in our lives. We will be back to "on our own", as the original Patriots envisioned this country!

how many more years can this country last with yearly deficits of $1.5 trillion?
what is your solution to that? more big programs, higher taxes?
unless we start cutting spending this whole country is going to look just like Detroit does now. Detroit is what happens when brainless liberals and unions mind the store for 50 years. the patient dies.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

quite simply its a giant step backwards for the nation. most people are beginning to realize that, which is why it is now so unpopular. every single person who is working to cram this disaster through based on an artificially imposed political timetable should expect to receive a pink slip next november.

Health reform was enormously popular when Obama was elected, and this week it rose up again another 6 points to a majority back to favoring it. People tend to fluxuate with winners, however.

The timetable on healthcare reform has taken 40 years. It's about time for a start on healthcare reform in this country. This is a tremendous advancement for our country, starting to place us up with the rest of the first world countries on health care - finally.

Every American - person - arrested in this country is entitled to a lawyer, which we - the public - pays for if the arrested can not. I think Americans being entitled to a doctor is more important.

People have pointed out how civil rights legislation, medicare - all the major social reforms have started, then been tweeked over time. This is the same.
But this is the start. We won't leave 15% of our population to flounder any more.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

how many more years can this country last with yearly deficits of $1.5 trillion?.

Too bad the past 8 years put us at 1.2 trillion on election day 2008. Bush had a bad habit of passing things, without funding them.

The Senate health reform plan is projected by the CBO (which is independent) to cut the deficit markedly, by trillions over 10-20 years. But we'll have to see what gets into the final plan.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

If anybody thinks the American government, and the services it provides us, is a 100% failure, I suggest you leave this country and go elsewhere, where it is better.

accusing the govt of being less than efficient isn't unpatriotic. altho ours isn't the best, it's still better than anything else.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Riot

If anybody thinks the American government, and the services it provides us, is a 100% failure, I suggest you leave this country and go elsewhere, where it is better.

well thats rich..if you have have never worn the uniform of our military in the countrys defence as i have you should shut your pie hole.. under this president the country is on the cusp of failure.. i would like to hear your retort on this matter..oh thats right you were never in the military or gave years of your life defending the rights of morons like you to have a opinion ..so i guess your opinion means ****..

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Riot

But 31 million, uncovered now, will be.

That's wonderful. Terrific. The moment this bill passes, starting January 1 2010, insurance companies will no longer be able to dump sick children (cancer, etc) due to reaching lifetime limits of coverage during their childhood.

This is America. We take care of our own - or at least I think we should.

I just found this, a good, simple listing of what is in the Senate bill:
http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2009/1...other-aspects/

I think you have a simple disagreement in goals going on here. If these people fighting you don't seem interested in the improvements you're mentioning, it's because they don't value these things. They value exclusivity. They aren't interested in changes that make for a more decent (civil) society at all. They don't value that, and there is nothing that can be done to make them better people. They are selfish, and forcing companies to treat people in a decent way isn't going to interest them very much. Do they seem interested? They are what they are. You can't change selfish minds with arguments that have a payoff that involves protecting all citizens from a poor outcome. They aren't highly interested in that. Notice how these consumer protections haven't thrilled them? They lack the values that are necessary for one to be able to cherish such important consumer protections.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

well thats rich..if you have have never worn the uniform of our military in the countrys defence as i have you should shut your pie hole.. under this president the country is on the cusp of failure.. i would like to hear your retort on this matter..oh thats right you were never in the military or gave years of your life defending the rights of morons like you to have a opinion ..so i guess your opinion means ****..

we aren't spartans, hooves.

you fought under a civilian commander in chief, as did every other member of the armed forces.

don't throw your service into the pot like a cheap poker chip in a penny ante game. it's worth more than that. and whether you like it or not, you served to protect the right of everyone in this country to express an opinion.

nancy pelosi and rush limbaugh. acorn activist and teabagger.

you get one vote like everyone else.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

we aren't spartans, hooves.

you fought under a civilian commander in chief, as did every other member of the armed forces.

don't throw your service into the pot like a cheap poker chip in a penny ante game. it's worth more than that. and whether you like it or not, you served to protect the right of everyone in this country to express an opinion.

nancy pelosi and rush limbaugh. acorn activist and teabagger.

you get one vote like everyone else.

true..i give myself a political time out.....

I'm just appalled. How could you talk to a nice person like that?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

well thats rich..if you have have never worn the uniform of our military in the countrys defence as i have you should shut your pie hole.. under this president the country is on the cusp of failure.. i would like to hear your retort on this matter..oh thats right you were never in the military or gave years of your life defending the rights of morons like you to have a opinion ..so i guess your opinion means ****..

You think only people who have served get a voice? Sorry. Everyone does. If you've served, I have great respect for that. I've lost people I knew in Viet Nam, and have relatives and friends who are lifetime military. Few are not touched by that.

But don't hold yourself up as more worthy of an opinion about this country than any other American. You think this President is putting this country on the cusp of failure, well plenty of other people do not, including me. You think anyone who disagrees with you is a moron? That says far more about you than the people you diss.