Trying To Make Money On Big Brown Today...

[Gate Dancer]

DRF Press:

Following the Haskell press conference, the topic of Curlin, the defending Horse of the Year, and the Breeders' Cup Classic came up. Dutrow, known for his candidness and cockiness during the Triple Crown run, gave his assessment of Curlin.

"Curlin couldn't win the Derby, we could," Dutrow said. "Curlin couldn't win [the Haskell], we could. Curlin got beat [by] a filly. We haven't. Our horse is undefeated on the grass. Curlin isn't. I don't know why people think Curlin is such a good horse. We're way better than Curlin."



What is this guy on??????? Curlin would dust Big Brown on either turf or dirt!!! What a pathetic comment.

[blackthroatedwind]

I think he's on the same thing a poster would have to be on to think nobody has commented on this two days later on this message board.

That's a partial quote. The original can be found in Esoteric.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I think he's on the same thing a poster would have to be on to think nobody has commented on this two days later on this message board.

Seriously, I feel like it's a running gag by a handful of posters that I'm not in on.

[Gander]

I dont think its a gag. Many have posted this on other boards and its quite legthy to make up. Why is it so hard to imagine that Dutrow could say such things? Not getting why this is so unbelievable. I think its funny.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Gander

I dont think its a gag. Many have posted this on other boards and its quite legthy to make up. Why is it so hard to imagine that Dutrow could say such things? Not getting why this is so unbelievable. I think its funny.

It's more that about 8 people have posted it as original material

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by GBBob

It's more that about 8 people have posted it as original material

That's what I was referring to.

[Kasept]

Jess Jackson on the Dutrow stupidity:

http://www.drf.com/news/article/97038.html

Jackson said possible races following the Woodward could depend on "who gives us the best argument on where we should be," a hint that he will accept bids from racetracks seeking a box-office star. As for a match-up with Big Brown, this year's Kentucky Derby winner, Jackson said if a track could arrange a showdown in a real race, "not a match race," that's "something that might influence us."

"They're both great horses," said Jackson, who said trainer Rick Dutrow's post-Haskell comments denigrating Curlin were "bad for racing" and "unethical."

On Monday, the day after Big Brown won the Haskell, Dutrow said, "I don't know why people think Curlin is such a good horse. We're way better than Curlin."

"To run down another man's horse demeans the industry," Jackson said. "I would like them to meet, for the industry and the fans."

[Danzig]

if that matchup was to happen, i might finally root for curlin to win one.

HAHAHA!! Jackson calling someone unethical. This is top shelf comedy, folks. Lap it up.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

HAHAHA!! Jackson calling someone unethical. This is top shelf comedy, folks. Lap it up.

[Gander]

Well well well, it was true after all. Not made up. I cant believe Dutrow would ever say such things.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Gander

Well well well, it was true after all. Not made up. I cant believe Dutrow would ever say such things.

No one said it was made up. The running gag I was facetiously talking about was the dozen different people posting the quote as if it hadn't been discussed on the board already.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Correct me if I am wrong but didnt you put 30 bucks into the tri? It paid 32.70 right?

How is that 12.70 ?

BB didnt finish strong. Coal Play just stopped at the end. Watch on the turn as Desormeaux was geting into him....BB was goin nowhere....only made up ground as Coal Play finally gave in. BB passed a tired OPT Claimer.

BB has been impressive earlier this year when he destroyed bad fields. Now he is barely beating bad fields. Nice horse, but nothing special. Curlin will crush him if Dutrow is dumb enough to race vs him.

I also bet $50 straight up on Big Brown to Win.

Let's agree to disagree on our assessments of Big Brown.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

those were his best performances, for sure. but what recent derby winner could not have beat that field this year, from any post? remember most horses in the field had best beyer figs of mid nineties. do you think Barbaro or Street Sense or Hard Spun would have any problem?

Giacomo, and possibly others.

Would Street Sense or Hard Spun have had a problem? We can only guess, but probably not. I doubt either would have shown that explosive move that Big Brown demonstrated when he spurted away from the field, though.

Winning from the outside at Gulfstream was considered near impossible before this year's Florida Derby. Despite that, when Big Brown drew the outside at Churchill, many cappers (including some here) were ecstatic that they would be able to bet against him while the "clueless" would bet him regardless of post.

Here are some very good recent horses that didn't win the Derby from better post positions than Big Brown's: Cat Thief, Point Given, Medagia d'Oro, Came Home, Empire Maker, Afleet Alex. Granted, these horses faced more solid competition than Big Brown (though Point Given finished behind Invisible Ink and Thunder Blitz), but my point is that the Derby is not a 'gimme'.

There's no question that Curlin has run against significantly better horses than Big Brown. I, too, think he is the better horse and has by far the greater accomplishments. Dutrow's comments were idiotic. But Big Brown's 3 race run from the Florida Derby through the Preakness was impressive in its own right.

--Dunbar

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

But Big Brown's 3 race run from the Florida Derby through the Preakness was impressive in its own right.

--Dunbar

Is that really all it takes now days?

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

Giacomo, and possibly others.

Would Street Sense or Hard Spun have had a problem? We can only guess, but probably not. I doubt either would have shown that explosive move that Big Brown demonstrated when he spurted away from the field, though.

Winning from the outside at Gulfstream was considered near impossible before this year's Florida Derby. Despite that, when Big Brown drew the outside at Churchill, many cappers (including some here) were ecstatic that they would be able to bet against him while the "clueless" would bet him regardless of post.

Here are some very good recent horses that didn't win the Derby from better post positions than Big Brown's: Cat Thief, Point Given, Medagia d'Oro, Came Home, Empire Maker, Afleet Alex. Granted, these horses faced more solid competition than Big Brown (though Point Given finished behind Invisible Ink and Thunder Blitz), but my point is that the Derby is not a 'gimme'.

There's no question that Curlin has run against significantly better horses than Big Brown. I, too, think he is the better horse and has by far the greater accomplishments. Dutrow's comments were idiotic. But Big Brown's 3 race run from the Florida Derby through the Preakness was impressive in its own right.

--Dunbar

Very well crafted post. I agree with just about everything. Good job.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Is that really all it takes now days?

It does if you factor in the degree of difficulty (post positions) in at least two of those races. Yes correct!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

It does if you factor in the degree of difficulty (post positions) in at least two of those races. Yes correct!

Dr. Fager just rolled over in his grave

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Doesn't the incredibly poor level of competition sort of offset that?

And what you say seems to be the sentiment of many. Would you be willing to say that on any given race, anything is possible (by any horse)?

I just think all of Big Brown's wins were impressive. I wish we really knew what happened at The Belmont? The Haskell was a comeback race for Big Brown and an impressive final furlong. He showed something he never had to before.

Alfleet Alex is my favorite horse of all time. But who did he really beat in the Preakness and Belmont other than Giacomo (a 50-1 KD winner). And don't say Scrappy T Yet most agree that Alex was a great horse. This is one example of why I don't buy into the lousy competition vs. Big Brown argument.