Overrated Jockeys

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Sweetness

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That's great, but TMB was a bad bet. Do you disagree?

Sweetness...its very easy to sit back and say that a horse was a bad bet AFTER he loses.

I need something before a race goes off to explain to me why he was a bad bet. I can go back to all the races I lost yesterday, pour over the DRF and find a million reasons why the horses I bet where bad bets AFTER THE FACT.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Well, I was letting this go as a difference of opinion, but it's pretty lame of you to "PROCLAIM" a week later that this horse was a bad bet. How in the world was this so freaking obvious? It's not as if TMB didn't have credentials going in!!!

And, PLEASE stop proclaiming the horse was ridden per Baffert's instructions. TMB was NOT taken back. TMB was NOT sent. TMB WAS RIDDEN LIKE SH1T INTO SURE DEFEAT.

He may not have been good enough. But the ride never gave him any chance to win.

Really pretty classless to keep thumping your tool on the table way after the race when you will not even acknowledge the possibility that the horse may have been poorly ridden.

I don't think he was ridden poorly, and do you think he was a GOOD bet at 6-5. I don't know many GOOD bets at 6-5, so I'll stand with it that he was a bad bet at 6-5. Thats a huge part of handicapping, identifying bad chalk, and this was bad chalk. Do you dispute the fact Baffert has made an attempt to get him to relax. So by sending you risk throwing all of that work away. I'm not proclaiming that I'm so great, just saying instead of deflecting the blame to Gomez, who came through a hole most wouldn't have tried to, maybe take responsibility that he was a bad bet at 6-5.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Scuds,
Man would I hate to be in Kobayashi's bathroom tomorrow morning!!!
Thunder coming! Plenty of wind!
Wonder if it will show up on the weather channel.

KOBAYASHI put the fat man away in the final 16th.It just seems that the young man can raise his game to match any competition.Makes you wonder if he will ever be beaten in this Championship. A true star in the food -eatin' competitions.DTS,He probably does have a bathroom with a T.V. built into the wall. This is a star,and a true food eatin' star has access to these amenities.

Originally Posted by GPK

Sweetness...its very easy to sit back and say that a horse was a bad bet AFTER he loses.

I need something before a race goes off to explain to me why he was a bad bet. I can go back to all the races I lost yesterday, pour over the DRF and find a million reasons why the horses I bet where bad bets AFTER THE FACT.

He was a bad bet before the race too. Before the race, he was breaking from the rail, which is a tough post going 7 furlongs, I think there is no disputing that, like the outside post is going 1 1/8 at Saratoga. Baffert seemed troubled by the post, and you know how confident Baffert usually is, and he was 6-5. What more do you want me to say, do you like betting 6-5's with tough posts, because I sure don't. Especially in a tough field.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Sweetness

I don't think he was ridden poorly, and do you think he was a GOOD bet at 6-5. I don't know many GOOD bets at 6-5, so I'll stand with it that he was a bad bet at 6-5. Thats a huge part of handicapping, identifying bad chalk, and this was bad chalk. Do you dispute the fact Baffert has made an attempt to get him to relax. So by sending you risk throwing all of that work away. I'm not proclaiming that I'm so great, just saying instead of deflecting the blame to Gomez, who came through a hole most wouldn't have tried to, maybe take responsibility that he was a bad bet at 6-5.

1. I didn't bet the race
2. You're wrong to proclaim the horse was ridden "perfectly according to instructions."
3. You're wrong about Baffert. If he really didn't like the post, he could have scratched instead of risking "all his work"
3. 6/5 is a FREAKING GREAT PRICE if you make the horse 1/2. AS freaking great a handicapper you are, you should know that.
4. IT's freaking tasteless to proclaim a horse that lost a bad bet weeks later. Next time, try doing it before the race, huh?
5. Whatever. Tired of you tossing out the same ****ing **** over and over.

You are the ****ing greatest.

There you go. That and $2 gets you a Coke and Twinkie.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

1. I didn't bet the race
2. You're wrong to proclaim the horse was ridden "perfectly according to instructions."
3. You're wrong about Baffert. If he really didn't like the post, he could have scratched instead of risking "all his work"
3. 6/5 is a FREAKING GREAT PRICE if you make the horse 1/2. AS freaking great a handicapper you are, you should know that.
4. IT's freaking tasteless to proclaim a horse that lost a bad bet weeks later. Next time, try doing it before the race, huh?
5. Whatever. Tired of you tossing out the same ****ing **** over and over.

You are the ****ing greatest.

There you go. That and $2 gets you a Coke and Twinkie.

Ditto....

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Sweetness

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That's great, but TMB was a bad bet. Do you disagree?

This is hard to say,because you're not saying what bet? Do I think any horse is worth putting hundreds or thousands on to win?(at 6/5 or less)..No,but I try to only bet multi-race stuff,and so it's a matter of getting through a race,and less a matter of win odds.It comes down to using the horse with the most ability(not necessarily the best value in the win pool.)This is the nice thing about the multi-race bets(you don't drive yourself nuts trying to get the extra buck or 2 in value...you just play the animals that you like.)

Originally Posted by SentToStud

1. I didn't bet the race
2. You're wrong to proclaim the horse was ridden "perfectly according to instructions."
3. You're wrong about Baffert. If he really didn't like the post, he could have scratched instead of risking "all his work"
3. 6/5 is a FREAKING GREAT PRICE if you make the horse 1/2. AS freaking great a handicapper you are, you should know that.
4. IT's freaking tasteless to proclaim a horse that lost a bad bet weeks later. Next time, try doing it before the race, huh?
5. Whatever. Tired of you tossing out the same ****ing **** over and over.

You are the ****ing greatest.

There you go. That and $2 gets you a Coke and Twinkie.

Thank you, because that's what i was looking for. Stop being babies, the post started about jockey's and got to this because I didn't think Gomez rode a bad race. The fact that he was a bad bet came up because I was trying to make the point that SCUDS should be mad at himself, not Gomez, this was after being called stupid, or something to that degree. I never said the horse was ridden perfectly and do you dispute the fact Baffert was visibly upset before the race about the post. He did think about scratching, look it up. And if you make that horse 1/2, why didn't you bet him at a "generous" 6/5. And can you honestly say with a straight face that TMB was a great price at 6/5? If so, plesae give us more great 6/5 shots, because I can't wait to sh*t on them too.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

This is hard to say,because you're not saying what bet? Do I think any horse is worth putting hundreds or thousands on to win?(at 6/5 or less)..No,but I try to only bet multi-race stuff,and so it's a matter of getting through a race,and less a matter of win odds.It comes down to using the horse with the most ability(not necessarily the best value in the win pool.)This is the nice thing about the multi-race bets(you don't drive yourself nuts trying to get the extra buck or 2 in value...you just play the animals that you like.)

Hey, I'm totally with you there I like the multi race stuff also. I just think you always have to look at value, and TMB at such a short price is no value, considering the makeup of the race.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Sweetness

Hey, I'm totally with you there I like the multi race stuff also. I just think you always have to look at value, and TMB at such a short price is no value, considering the makeup of the race.

I had Jazil singled.That was my value.After that,I just needed to get through races.He(Bling) was a poor win bet(if that's what your asking,but I wouldn't think there are very many good win bets at 6/5 or less.)

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I had Jazil singled.That was my value.After that,I just needed to get through races.He(Bling) was a poor win bet(if that's what your asking,but I wouldn't think there are very many good win bets at 6/5 or less.)

Nice pick on Jazil, he was great value. I'm with you, there aren't many good win bets at those odds.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Sweetness

Thank you, because that's what i was looking for. Stop being babies, the post started about jockey's and got to this because I didn't think Gomez rode a bad race. The fact that he was a bad bet came up because I was trying to make the point that SCUDS should be mad at himself, not Gomez, this was after being called stupid, or something to that degree. I never said the horse was ridden perfectly and do you dispute the fact Baffert was visibly upset before the race about the post. He did think about scratching, look it up. And if you make that horse 1/2, why didn't you bet him at a "generous" 6/5. And can you honestly say with a straight face that TMB was a great price at 6/5? If so, plesae give us more great 6/5 shots, because I can't wait to sh*t on them too.

Go **** Yourself.

I did not bet the race.

I didn't care for the ****ing race. I did not think ANY horse was worth betting there.

If you think Songster was great value there at 8/5 in a short field , you're either a ****ing idiot or a ****ing genius. I'm nit sure which.

**** you with your diagnosis of Baffert. Now you are Dr. ****ing Phil?

Go take a look at your July 4 "Picks" thread. I just took a sh1t on your 4th race,

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Go **** Yourself.

I did not bet the race.

I didn't care for the ****ing race. I did not think ANY horse was worth betting there.

If you think Songster was great value there at 8/5 in a short field , you're either a ****ing idiot or a ****ing genius. I'm nit sure which.

**** you with your diagnosis of Baffert. Now you are Dr. ****ing Phil?

Go take a look at your July 4 "Picks" thread. I just took a sh1t on your 4th race,

First off Einstein, Songster was 5/2 and paid $7.70, which is a little different than 8/5, but I'm sure you knew that even a ****ing idiot knows that, right? Is my opinion about what Baffert thought that far fetched, I don't think so. You did get me at Belmont, that's okay, I'll live to bet another race, and not dwell and whine and complain about it for weeks after.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Sweetness

First off Einstein, Songster was 5/2 and paid $7.70, which is a little different than 8/5, but I'm sure you knew that even a ****ing idiot knows that, right? Is my opinion about what Baffert thought that far fetched, I don't think so. You did get me at Belmont, that's okay, I'll live to bet another race, and not dwell and whine and complain about it for weeks after.

Good for you. Yeah, sure you're right. Baffert told the jock, "Don't send. Don't take back. Just sit 1/2 length off the pace on the inside as long as you can and see what happens." Whatever, I could not give a sh1t.

Go **** yourself anyway. Aside from that, good luck.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Good for you. Yeah, sure you're right. Baffert told the jock, "Don't send. Don't take back. Just sit 1/2 length off the pace on the inside as long as you can and see what happens." Whatever, I could not give a sh1t.

Go **** yourself anyway. Aside from that, good luck.

Thank you I think I will go do that. Happy 4th of July, keep those insightful, witty and dead on posts coming okay. Must be frustrating to be wrong on so many fronts.

Originally Posted by Sweetness

First off Einstein, Songster was 5/2 and paid $7.70, which is a little different than 8/5, but I'm sure you knew that even a ****ing idiot knows that, right? Is my opinion about what Baffert thought that far fetched, I don't think so. You did get me at Belmont, that's okay, I'll live to bet another race, and not dwell and whine and complain about it for weeks after.

Another genius who has graced us with his presence Stud. For the record I used both in pik-4's(which I hit and was very big) and rooted for Songster at the longer price and was quite pleased when Gomez gave a moronic ride. Hows that you genius? I made more money on the deal but I'm sure not gonna sit here and redboard that I just know that Gomez was gonna give a ridiculouslt stupid ride. Can you watch a race? Apparaently not, I got lucky to get the better priced horse home, a blind man could see that GG was incredibly incompetent and stupid with that ride. I echo Studs sentiments, go **** yourself but please have a happy and safe 4th of July!!! best wishes to you and yours!!

Originally Posted by oracle80

Another genius who has graced us with his presence Stud. For the record I used both in pik-4's(which I hit and was very big) and rooted for Songster at the longer price and was quite pleased when Gomez gave a moronic ride. Hows that you genius? I made more money on the deal but I'm sure not gonna sit here and redboard that I just know that Gomez was gonna give a ridiculouslt stupid ride. Can you watch a race? Apparaently not, I got lucky to get the better priced horse home, a blind man could see that GG was incredibly incompetent and stupid with that ride. I echo Studs sentiments, go **** yourself but please have a happy and safe 4th of July!!! best wishes to you and yours!!

Great for you, who gives a sh*t.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Horse was dead tired, but not of being beaten. It was a 2yo race with all first time starters. Tired, spooky, clueless baby.

disagree...she wasn't tired.....He saw the whip and shyed away from it becuase she didn't want to get cracked by it

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Scav

disagree...she wasn't tired.....He saw the whip and shyed away from it becuase she didn't want to get cracked by it

Scav,
There are muliple threads going on in this one..hot dog eating (where I was trying to be funny)...jocks (notice I haven't given an opinion)...
but what you said about crackin' a 2yo is very true.
I didn't see the race in question.
From what I do know, that's one of the quickest ways to ruin a good prospect. Would you want to leave your stall and lead out so that you could have your butt beaten? It's called "operant conditioning". The babies get to associate running with punishment.
It's ruined many good ones.
Some are in this business despite their ignorance.
DTS

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Well,we don't have to go very far to find the example of what I wanted from Gomez on Bling.For that matter,we don't have to go very far to see what Baffert wanted from Gomez on Bling.Today,E Z Warrior won the Hollywood Juvenile Championship FROM THE 1 HOLE. Baffert said HE ALMOST SCRATCHED DUE TO THE 1 HOLE,but he and the owner decided he was good enough to overcome it.Watch the race.This is the way I wanted Gomez to get him off the rail.Even Flores can do it.This is all after E Z Warrior won his 1st race from the 1 hole.So,Baffert just hates the one hole,and is gunna blame that for any loss his horses have from that post.That would be why he didn't criticize the ride by Gomez(he assumes he will get beat from the 1 hole,and is pleasantly surprised if he wins from it.)Baffert thought Bling(with Gomez up)could win from the 1 hole,or he wouldn't have run him.