McKee Blew it! - Page 5

Rupert Pupkin · #81 09-24-2006, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Its nice to be in those three year old restricted races and have all of the races you run in come up light. A horse can win a lot of money.

The connections should be applauded for a well run campaign. Winning 1.3 and not beating good horses is a hell of an accomplishment.

That's ridiculous. I could say the same thing about practically every good 3 year old. Who did Barbaro ever beat before the Derby?

Giacomo, on the other hand, beat some good horses in the Ky Derby. Does that prove that Gicaomo is a great horse? Not al all. He beat some great horses in the Derby but none of those horses ran their best that day. It's not who you beat. It's how you do it. You'd never make it as a bloodstock agent if you were constantly asking who a horse beat. Yuo won't be very successful as a bettor either. If you can't pick out a good horse until he beats a great horse in a fast time, you'll end up betting on nothing but 3-5 shots.

Danzig · #82 09-24-2006, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

No no, my point was after the Saratoga races everyone was questioning the competition that Bernardini was facing. Well by that same logic who has Lawyer Ron faced? For 2 days a lot are trying to blame the jock, when in fact Lawyer Ron should have won yesterday, rank or not. I think Lawyer Ron is a horse that is talented no doubt, by not in the same league as Bernardini, Discreet Cat, Bluegrass Cat, Barbaro, or Showing Up.

and i agree completely with that! they can't all be top tier.
like i said, different folks will always question what horses beat. thing is, the horses have no control at all over who they face. all they can do is try their best. thank goodness for the horses mental well being, they can't read!! they'd all be in therapy!!

Rupert Pupkin · #83 09-24-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Isnt that "grey horse" still eligible for nx2 competition?

Does that mean he has to give back the money he's won?

Pointg5 · #84 09-24-2006, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

No no, my point was after the Saratoga races everyone was questioning the competition that Bernardini was facing. Well by that same logic who has Lawyer Ron faced? For 2 days a lot are trying to blame the jock, when in fact Lawyer Ron should have won yesterday, rank or not. I think Lawyer Ron is a horse that is talented no doubt, by not in the same league as Bernardini, Discreet Cat, Bluegrass Cat, Barbaro, or Showing Up.

I never once blamed the jock, I don't think it was his fault, maybe he should have let him run, but who knows if that would have made a difference...I said the whole thing is on LR...He should have won yesterday, but he didn't, no excuses from me, he went too fast too early...

SC ran a huge Sheet # at Belmont, he's a much better horse than I thought, for LR to run like he did against him really impressed me...I am tired of this conversation and I am out...I should be happy, the Bengals won today...I am sorry Dahoss for using the F bomb on you, that was uncalled for, but I didn't like the tone you were using with me...I edited the post and pm'd Kasept to tell him what I did, I feel bad for doing that...It's just a message board and I shouldn't get so heated...

Danzig · #85 09-24-2006, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Okay first of all Lawyer Ron is of course better than SM, no doubt. Do you think Stong Contender has a shot in the Classic, really? He was trounced by Bluegrass Cat, who in turn was trounced by Bernardini, I know he was hurt. I'm not saying Lawyer Ron is a mule he is a very talented horse, but can you name me 1 horse to come out of the Oaklawn 3 year old preps to win a graded stakes race?

high cotton-graded winner and graded placed since the ark derby.

Danzig · #86 09-24-2006, 05:22 PM

also, do i think strong contender has a shot? as good as some maybe, not as good as others. he still has a lot of upside, he's lightly raced and seems to be improving. who knows?! hell, volponi won it, why not SC?

Rupert Pupkin · #87 09-24-2006, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Isnt that "grey horse" still eligible for nx2 competition?

Why does everyone think that Barbaro is so good then. The Derby must have been a really weak field if a horse who is eligible for nx2 ran 3rd.

This is why it is so pointless to ask who a horse beat. It's not who they beat, it's how they do it. There were people who were asking who Bellamy Road beat in the Wood. He won by 18 lengths and people are asking who he beat. It's unbelievable.

Who did Discreet Cat beat the other day? Who cares who he beat! It doesn't take a genius to see that he he ran incedible and he is no worse than the 2nd best 3 year old in the country right now. The only horse who might be able to beat him is Bernardini. It's amazing that I know this despite the fact that Discreet Cat didn't beat anyone the other day.

It was amazing that people figured out that Henny Hughes' comeback at Monmouth was a great race despite the fact that he didn't beat anyone that day. The fans must be geniuses. They made Henny 4-5 in the King's Bishop. Did you think he sould have been 10-1 that day since he didn't beat anyone at Monmouth?

dalakhani · #88 09-24-2006, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

high cotton-graded winner and graded placed since the ark derby.

High cotton? LOL

Danzig · #89 09-24-2006, 05:26 PM

wish i knew who beat bernardini in his first start. that horse is obviously THE BEST three year old, since he beat bernardini.

Danzig · #90 09-24-2006, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

High cotton? LOL

he asked a question, i answered it. it's a fact, sorry you don't like the answer.

dalakhani · #91 09-24-2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Why does everyone think that Barbaro is so good then. The Derby must have been a really weak field if a horse who is eligible for nx2 ran 3rd.

This is why it is so pointless to ask who a horse beat. It's not who they beat, it's how they do it. There were people who were asking who Bellamy Road beat in the Wood. He won by 18 lengths and people are asking who he beat. It's unbelievable.

Who did Discreet Cat beat the other day? Who cares who he beat! It doesn't take a genius to see that he he ran incedible and he is no worse than the 2nd best 3 year old in the country right now. The only horse who might be able to beat him is Bernardini.

I disagree. There have been plenty of horses that have made false reputations against bad horses. Happens every year.

And even going by your line of thinking, what was so impressive about LR's races anyway? He has beyered over 100 but twice going into yesterday's race.

Pointg5 · #92 09-24-2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

he asked a question, i answered it. it's a fact, sorry you don't like the answer.

Private Vow, wasn't he a G1 winner?

Oh, we can't count that, because that was some other time and doesn't fit the arguement...

kentuckyrosesinmay · #93 09-24-2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I stand corrected, but refresh my memory, when did he run at Oaklawn?

Arkansas Derby

Gander · #94 09-24-2006, 05:28 PM

Strong Contender had a brutal trip in the Haskell. Watch the replay. All his naysayers said he could only win going one turn, that he was a very bad 0 for 2 going 2 turns so he was a toss out yesterday. LOL! Tossout. This horse has a legit chance if there is a wicked pace in the Classic.

dalakhani · #95 09-24-2006, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I don't know who is in the race and I don't know if he will go to that race or not. Plus, I don't like future bets. However, if he does go, I will tell everyone on this board what I think of his chances. Because the top horses in the country normally run in the BC Classic, it is usually the second tier GI horses going in the Cigar Mile. I think that LR is talented enough to be a second tier GI horse at that distance.

How is he going to beat second tier grade 1 horses in open company when he cant even beat second tier horses in restricted company?

For the record, there have been some pretty darn good horses that have run in the Cigar over the last few years. You might want to check it out.

Pointg5 · #96 09-24-2006, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Strong Contender had a brutal trip in the Haskell. Watch the replay. All his naysayers said he could only win going one turn, that he was a very bad 0 for 2 going 2 turns so he was a toss out yesterday. LOL! Tossout. This horse has a legit chance if there is a wicked pace in the Classic.

I agree, and he's only a length better than LR yesterday, but LR wouldn't have a shot?

dalakhani · #97 09-24-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

I agree, and he's only a length better than LR yesterday, but LR wouldn't have a shot?

Not with the race set up he doesnt have a shot. LR needs to be at or near the front and he isnt going to get there with the speed thats loaded for the classic. Unless you think he will last in a dual with Bernardini, discreet or lava man. Do you really think that?

A horse with tactical speed like SC has a much better shot.

Danzig · #98 09-24-2006, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

Private Vow, wasn't he a G1 winner?

Oh, we can't count that, because that was some other time and doesn't fit the arguement...

yeah, he beat pv as well..graded winner going into the ark derby, and graded placed since. early book fave for the derby as well...

with a city was a grade 1 winner going into arkansas, died may six.

dalakhani · #99 09-24-2006, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Why does everyone think that Barbaro is so good then. The Derby must have been a really weak field if a horse who is eligible for nx2 ran 3rd.

This is why it is so pointless to ask who a horse beat. It's not who they beat, it's how they do it. There were people who were asking who Bellamy Road beat in the Wood. He won by 18 lengths and people are asking who he beat. It's unbelievable.

Who did Discreet Cat beat the other day? Who cares who he beat! It doesn't take a genius to see that he he ran incedible and he is no worse than the 2nd best 3 year old in the country right now. The only horse who might be able to beat him is Bernardini. It's amazing that I know this despite the fact that Discreet Cat didn't beat anyone the other day.

It was amazing that people figured out that Henny Hughes' comeback at Monmouth was a great race despite the fact that he didn't beat anyone that day. The fans must be geniuses. They made Henny 4-5 in the King's Bishop. Did you think he sould have been 10-1 that day since he didn't beat anyone at Monmouth?

The difference is that Henny ran a ridiculous fig and also has beaten decent horses in the past. Can you say the same about lawyer Ron?

Danzig · #**100** 09-24-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Strong Contender had a brutal trip in the Haskell. Watch the replay. All his naysayers said he could only win going one turn, that he was a very bad 0 for 2 going 2 turns so he was a toss out yesterday. LOL! Tossout. This horse has a legit chance if there is a wicked pace in the Classic.

tossout yesterday? no way...i used him and lawyer ron in the espn contest. shoulda bet it, had another ex as well....