7/24 (MTH): Lady's Secret S. feat. Rachel Alexandra

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Super Fly, 10f on dirt, the 2 of them in there vs a few other plugs, maybe Life at Ten is in there. Who wins? I think Z wins for fun.

Nice goatee.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Nice goatee.

Ok your running out of **** to say, dont cross the line.

[RockHardTen1985]

So now I ask you a serious question, and you respond like this...

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Nice goatee.

Speaking of, what do you call the **** under your chin on your facebook picture?
Is that in, in Long Island?

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by prudery

Off topic ..

We were not talking comparing races other than the only two UNRESTRICTED RACES both ran in --that was the topic .

And another FYI--it is 2010--let me know how that works for your bias at the year's end ..

Speaking of being off topic . . . . . The title of this thread is Horse of the Year Rachel Alexandra's next start . . . . not selectively choosing which of Rachel Alexandra's 2009 races to compare to zenyatta's fake dirt win over turf horses.

To fully appreciate Rachel Alexandra's historic 2009 campaign, you must look at her entire body of work that year. For some reason, the zetards don't like to do that.

[prudery]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

No, it didn't. You rambled about age and sex restrictions in an attempt to isolate the Woodward and Classic and ignore the rest of Rachel's indisputably superior campaign. Not going to cut it ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

I did not ramble at all .

The only two races that were unrestricted were the Woodward and the Classic . Ergo they are the only two comparable WITHIN THAT FRAMEWORK...

Whether Rachel's campaign was superior or not is where the rambling comes in--from you .

I NEVER mentioned whose campaign was the better and it was not germaine to the discussion, which you quickly ducked, feinted and brought in defense to...

Some folks need to move on from 2009, and simply can not in the face of a real let down .

While it is disappointing that both horses could be more aggressively raced, one doesn't ship, and the other ships to escape ...

[prudery]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Speaking of being off topic . . . . . The title of this thread is Horse of the Year Rachel Alexandra's next start . . . . not selectively choosing which of Rachel Alexandra's 2009 races to compare to zenyatta's fake dirt win over turf horses.

To fully appreciate Rachel Alexandra's historic 2009 campaign, you must look at her entire body of work that year. For some reason, the zetards don't like to do that.

Duh Truth---I looked at Rachel's historic 2009 campaign LAST YEAR .

Very spiffy . And deserving of its reward .

For some reason Rachelistas can't get over 2009 a year later . And yes, you did say the topic was Rachel's next race, not last year's races ... Off topic ..

Her campaign this year is somewhat less historic--in particular this faux race coming up .

You can spin that all you want, but this Monmouth endeavor is historic only in its absurdity .

Time to look forward and get the shades of delusion off .

If this campaign was run by any other horse, they would be laughed at for Breeder's Cup potential, and even more so as a potential candidate for HOY .

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Nice goatee.

I changed my avatar for you, since you like looking so much, now you see yourself. It was no problem, no need to Thank me.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by prudery

FYI--the Woodward and the Classic were the only unrestricted races both girls ran in--nothing disigenous there . Of course there was a surface variable, but the former still applies--one unrestricted race each ...

Every other race each ran in was age or sex restricted ..

So if a bunch of Grade I winning turf horses had shown up for Rachel's Woodward on conventional dirt, and she had rolled by 10, you'd naturally admit that it was the stronger race?

Please. She ran on dirt, against dirt horses who were in solid form at the time.

Zenyatta won the year's biggest "dirt" race against a bunch of turf horses.

Of course it's disingenuous, but that's nothing new.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I changed my avatar for you, since you like looking so much, now you see yourself. It was no problem, no need to Thank me.

Who's the guy that looks like Frankie Rodriguez without the specs?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I changed my avatar for you, since you like looking so much, now you see yourself. It was no problem, no need to Thank me.

Touche stalkerboy.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Touche stalkerboy.

We both know thats not true, and I cant be boy if Im older then you, son.
Admit it was a slick and funny move, and Ill take it down.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

For a dirt race? The BC Classic has been the country's top DIRT race, and she beat a good, rock-solid field of mainly turf horses, synthetic horses, and dirt no-hopers (thanks to the synthetic surface) in the country's biggest DIRT race.

It's apples and oranges to try to compare the two.

To that end, do her connections not deserve credit for pointing her to the classic on her less proven surface this year? It's been mentioned in this thread that Euro's have basically kicked the American's butts on plastic the past 2 years on proride in the BC, here we have one American horse that more than held up her end by beating the best turf, dirt, synth specialists that wanted to run in the classic, but it is viewed by some as a feat via asterisk, not you specifically Brian, but by some. How can one make a statement of that belief by saying the Euro's are so superior to the Americans on plastic yet downgrade her performance is truly hard to understand.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by CSC

To that end, do her connections not deserve credit for pointing her to the classic on her less proven surface this year? It's been mentioned in this thread that Euro's have basically kicked the American's butts on plastic the past 2 years on proride in the BC, here we have one American horse that more than held up her end by beating the best turf, dirt, synth specialists that wanted to run in the classic, but it is viewed by some as a feat via asterisk, not you specifically Brian, but by some. How can one make a statement of that belief by saying the Euro's are so superior to the Americans on plastic yet downgrade her performance is truly hard to understand.

Well, I disagree wholeheartedly that the Euros "kicked [our butts]" on Pro-Ride the last two years, they won a couple of races, including the Marathon twice (which long-distance Euros should win every time, so it's not really germane), the BC Juvy one year, and the Classic one year.

So, I'm not really of that mindset anyway, because I don't think they did. However, horses coming off dirt preps then running in the biggest "dirt" races of the year are 0-for-everything in the last two years, and that says more about the surface than two upset-minded Euros.

But I don't disagree with your other assertion -- good for Z's connections for protecting her and pointing her to the races on her home turf, but the point I'm making, is to use those fields to try to compare to Rachel's Woodward is positively ludicrous and just nothing more than opportunistic grabbing by those who want to validate the races as something more than they were. The Classic last year was sensational, for what it was and nothing more, but positing it as some sort of equivalent to a top dirt race is ridiculous and should be summarily rejected out of hand with no further discussion and no further consideration by anyone of rational mind.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Well, I disagree wholeheartedly that the Euros "kicked [our butts]" on Pro-Ride the last two years, they won a couple of races, including the Marathon twice (which long-distance Euros should win every time, so it's not really germane), the BC Juvy one year, and the Classic one year.

So, I'm not really of that mindset anyway, because I don't think they did. However, horses coming off dirt preps then running in the biggest "dirt" races of the year are 0-for-everything in the last two years, and that says more about the surface than two upset-minded Euros.

But I don't disagree with your other assertion -- good for Z's connections for protecting her and pointing her to the races on her home turf, but the point I'm making, is to use those fields to try to compare to Rachel's Woodward is positively ludicrous and just nothing more than opportunistic grabbing by those who want to validate the races as something more than they were. The Classic last year was sensational, for what it was and nothing more, but positing it as some sort of equivalent to a top dirt race is ridiculous and should be summarily rejected out of hand with no further discussion and no further consideration by anyone of rational mind.

Then they should be viewed as separate entities, both special and difficult in their own ways. This I can see eye to eye on.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

We both know thats not true, and I cant be boy if Im older then you, son.
Admit it was a slick and funny move, and Ill take it down.

Relax. Don't get all worked up over everything.

Joey is definitely a good guy.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by philcski

Relax. Don't get all worked up over everything.

Joey is definitely a good guy.

I know. Thanks Phil.

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

I thought Just Jenda was okay at the time since she had a couple of G3s, although admittedly she got beaten in an ungraded stake at Monmouth in her last start. I agree the other 3 fillies were lousy.

Just Jenda would be 1-9 against this field if no Rachel, at least she is a recent stakes winner, these others are frigging claimers.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

These others are frigging claimers.

According to some, facing that type over and over is befitting of a HOY campaign, so here's a toast to Rachel repeating in 2010!!!!!

[herkhorse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Nice goatee.

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