I always thought Shaughnessy was an idiot but...

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Mo Williams was getting worked and manned up. Otherwise they're toast and still might be. He's too god-damned slow.

That said it's a concern for Boston that Rondo has 27 and 12 and they still lose.

Doc Rivers sucks btw and should be fired after this season.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Sorry, I'd love to take the Cavs seriously, but this game just isn't on the level. Say what you want, that play where LeQueen smacks the ball out of Baby's hands out of bounds and the ref points the Cavs way was just the final nail. This isn't going to be allowed to happen.

Then LeBron travels twice on one play and ends up on the line. It's terrible comedy. I'd really like to enjoy this series. Pierce clearly fouled by LeQueen on a drive down 96-93, no call.

And if you think that diva is actually hurt and didn't shoot that FT left-handed solely in order to play up this injury angle, you're a goddamn idiot and you should die as soon as possible.

Yes it is obviously a ruse and everybody knows the NBA is fixed which is why they pave the way to the title for Cleveland every year...

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

My one request: Everyone, stop talking about the elbow. It's a built-in excuse that he gave himself for when he ****s up, and if he doesn't **** up, he gets the hero role. The drama queen gash clearly isn't hurt, or at least not enough to significantly alter his abilities. Stop it. No more.

This is all true, but pretty ironic coming from a fan of a team that contains both Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett. Pierce makes LeBron look like a rank amateur in the drama quieen department.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Sorry, I'd love to take the Cavs seriously, but this game just isn't on the level. Say what you want, that play where LeQueen smacks the ball out of Baby's hands out of bounds and the ref points the Cavs way was just the final nail. This isn't going to be allowed to happen.

Then LeBron travels twice on one play and ends up on the line. It's terrible comedy. I'd really like to enjoy this series. Pierce clearly fouled by LeQueen on a drive down 96-93, no call.

And if you think that diva is actually hurt and didn't shoot that FT left-handed solely in order to play up this injury angle, you're a goddamn idiot and you should die as soon as possible.

The refs have had a 60 year vendetta against Boston, someday they'll get that title. did you ever see game 5 of the 1976 Eastern Conference Championship series?? I did.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yes it is obviously a ruse and everybody knows the NBA is fixed which is why they pave the way to the title for Cleveland every year...

Refute that those calls were terrible or shut the hell up.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

The refs have had a 60 year vendetta against Boston, someday they'll get that title. did you ever see game 5 of the 1976 Eastern Conference Championship series?? I did.

Go ahead and tell me what the hell that has to do with LeBron James and 2010. I'm waiting.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Refute that those calls were terrible or shut the hell up.



Go ahead and tell me what the hell that has to do with LeBron James and 2010. I'm waiting.

Nothing at all. Tell me what a couple of bad calls against Boston last night has to do with anything?? Go ahead 'm waiting.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Nothing at all. Tell me what a couple of bad calls against Boston last night has to do with anything?? Go ahead 'm waiting.

The difference between a win and a loss in a seven-game series? I'm not following your comparison.

[horseofcourse]

ateam....there are bad calls every single game in every single NBA game played. Boston had more calls against them last night than Cleveland did. I saw a couple bad calls against Cleveland too, more bad calls went agaisnt Boston. And...?? I'm trying to figure out what your point is? There is no conspiracy. Jordan pushed off against Russell in Salt Lake, no call. What are you whining about? Seriously? Superstars always get more calls. Maddux and Glavine had the biggest strike zone in major league history.

Again, what point are you trying to make?

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The difference between a win and a loss in a seven-game series? I'm not following your comparison.

Boston has gotten those calls many times in it's history. That is my comparison.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

ateam....there are bad calls every single game in every single NBA game played. Boston had more calls against them last night than Cleveland did. I saw a couple bad calls against Cleveland too, more bad calls went agaisnt Boston. And...?? I'm trying to figure out what your point is? There is no conspiracy. Jordan pushed off against Russell in Salt Lake, no call. What are you whining about? Seriously? Superstars always get more calls. Maddux and Glavine had the biggest strike zone in major league history.

Again, what point are you trying to make?

Because I've seen this before with the Cavs and LeBron. You're going to bring up ancient history, and that's fine if you can't let it go and you think this is some kind of super delayed karma for the Celtics. But I care about the here and now, and I don't believe last night's officiating was on the level. Please don't pretend like I'm the only person who has suspicions that the NBA actively tries to get its bigger stars into the Finals. It's tired and completely dilutes the game.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Because I've seen this before with the Cavs and LeBron. You're going to bring up ancient history, and that's fine if you can't let it go and you think this is some kind of super delayed karma for the Celtics. But I care about the here and now, and I don't believe last night's officiating was on the level. Please don't pretend like I'm the only person who has suspicions that the NBA actively tries to get its bigger stars into the Finals. It's tired and completely dilutes the game.

I agree. The stars get calls regardless of era except the giant guys. This is the first NBA superstar Cleveland has ever had in it's history. That's why I don't give a crap. The previous best Cavs teams were in the Jordan era. I saw how it goes. Yeah, super delayed karma...but this series is far from over. It will reverse somewhat in Boston...the calls. that happens too. LeBron is the only guy on Cleveland who gets calls. Shaq was in foul trouble the whole game, Jamison was in foul trouble.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I agree. The stars get calls regardless of era except the giant guys. This is the first NBA superstar Cleveland has ever had in it's history. That's why I don't give a crap. The previous best Cavs teams were in the Jordan era. I saw how it goes. Yeah, super delayed karma...but this series is far from over. It will reverse somewhat in Boston...the calls. that happens too. LeBron is the only guy on Cleveland who gets calls. Shaq was in foul trouble the whole game, Jamison was in foul trouble.

I thought Mo Williams got some very questionable calls in that game as well, and it's not just the fouls that are BS. I understand why you can justify the preferential treatment, but I think you can also understand why that's not possible for me.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Refute that those calls were terrible or shut the hell up.



Go ahead and tell me what the hell that has to do with LeBron James and 2010. I'm waiting.

The only calls I remember the refs missing was a charge that Williams drew on Rondo and the offensive goaltebding on Shaq on his putback with 120 to go. But the refs were hardly to blame for Pierce's sluggish game or Garnett fading down the stretch. And who was checking Williams during his one man rally? There are lots of reasons teams win or lose but the refs are rarely the cause. Last night was no exception.


http://www.basketballprospectus.com/...articleid=1113
Good recap

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Because I've seen this before with the Cavs and LeBron. You're going to bring up ancient history, and that's fine if you can't let it go and you think this is some kind of super delayed karma for the Celtics. But I care about the here and now, and I don't believe last night's officiating was on the level. Please don't pretend like I'm the only person who has suspicions that the NBA actively tries to get its bigger stars into the Finals. It's tired and completely dilutes the game.

This is baseless. You view the game through green tinted glasses and from your comments obviously have some sort of axe to grind with Cleveland and LeBron.

Your assumption that the "NBA" wishes that its strongest team and best player plays and remains in Cleveland, OH is a stretch considering that they have been to the Finals once in LBJ's 6 years in what was the least watched and lowest revenue generating Finals ever.

So what you are basically saying is that the games are fixed and that if we disagree with you WE are the stupid ones?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I thought Mo Williams got some very questionable calls in that game as well, and it's not just the fouls that are BS. I understand why you can justify the preferential treatment, but I think you can also understand why that's not possible for me.

What else is it? The postgame spread is weak? The showers in the lockerroom only have cold water? The fans booed too loud?

If anything the stars get less calls then they did in the past. Dwight Howard a perfect case in point. No one in league history got more calls than Larry Bird.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What else is it? The postgame spread is weak? The showers in the lockerroom only have cold water? The fans booed too loud?

If anything the stars get less calls then they did in the past. Dwight Howard a perfect case in point. No one in league history got more calls than Larry Bird.

No, genius, I'm saying that there were other bad calls besides fouls. Thanks for reminding me of two terrible calls that I forgot about, BTW. Again with the ancient history. Larry Bird has nothing to do with this series. If you don't think last night was one-sided from the refs, you're either a complete moron or you hate the Celtics.

[ateamstupid]

I also really am not in the mood to argue semantics with you for five hours, so we'll just leave it that David Stern and his referees are completely impartial arbiters who have no interest in one player or team over another and anyone who thinks otherwise is a conspiracy theory loon.

Jesus, at least horseofcourse doesn't play dumb.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

No, genius, I'm saying that there were other bad calls besides fouls. Thanks for reminding me of two terrible calls that I forgot about, BTW. Again with the ancient history. Larry Bird has nothing to do with this series. If you don't think last night was one-sided from the refs, you're either a complete moron or you hate the Celtics.

They arent terrible calls, just calls that I believe went the wrong way. Of course I was able to deduce this from watching the replay on tv which isnt something that the refs are able to do. As a matter of fact offensive goaltending is a call that is rarely made anymore for whatever reason.

Last night was a fairly officiated game. Any inference that is wasnt is either biased or simply not knowledgable.

Perhaps you should focus more on things such as your coaches inability to come up with a scoring play down the stretch? Your rants about the refs make you sound eerily like a certain Yankee fan (a famously banned poster) that was certain that biased umpires kept them from winning the World Series every year.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I also really am not in the mood to argue semantics with you for five hours, so we'll just leave it that David Stern and his referees are completely impartial arbiters who have no interest in one player or team over another and anyone who thinks otherwise is a conspiracy theory loon.

Jesus, at least horseofcourse doesn't play dumb.

Then if you are convinced of that why watch?

There is no more manipulative organization in sports than the NCAA yet I never hear you complain about the refs there.....oops I forgot you think those refs are all cheating too.

The NBA is far more wwf than NCAA basketball. 8 different teams have won championships since 1980 in the NBA. That's harrible.