As expected Crist is the man about the girl - Page 5

CSC · #81 09-04-2009, 09:00 AM

For all this safe and conservative talk, one thing is a certain Zenyatta will be on the biggest stage of racing this fall, RA may or may not. To me Zenyatta's connections got it right this time not RA's.

Sightseek · #82 09-04-2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

Yeah..but they would just run Zenyatta on the turf

Sheriff's listed first time at a new distance as one of the reasons that he didn't want to run in races like the SA Handicap so that is very, very doubtful.

GBBob · #83 09-04-2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC

For all this safe and conservative talk, one thing is a certain Zenyatta will be on the biggest stage of racing this fall, RA may or may not. To me Zenyatta's connections got this right this time not RA's.

You really can't give them credit for this, can you? It fell in their lap

CSC · #84 09-04-2009, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

You really can't give them credit for this, can you? It fell in their lap

I don't care about patting them on the back or not, I think we all want to see the best horses on the biggest stage. As a fan and horseplayer this is all that matters to me.

Cannon Shell · #85 09-04-2009, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Coolemoore customers are in the USA as well as Europe. Other then the stallion operations you don't see many coming for dirt races. Why would they?

Shiek Mo is pissed you called Sakhee a Coolmore horse. No season to Street Cry for you

Sightseek · #86 09-04-2009, 09:09 AM

So, just curious....

How many of you really honestly think having the Breeder's Cup at Santa Anita was a good idea?

The Indomitable DrugS · #87 09-04-2009, 09:10 AM

Even though her record over the last 3 years is just 1-for-13 ....

I think Anabaa's Creation is deserving of a re-match.

And even though she hasn't won a race in over a year - and that win was against Cal Breds - Lethal Heat deserves some love as well.

I just hope we see some good Euro fillies on Breeders Cup day.

freddymo · #88 09-04-2009, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

When the best horse in the country skips the championship day because of a personal agenda I think it is something to discuss. Say his personal agenda was that he didnt like Frank Stronach and wont race at his tracks? Would you play a different tune then?

And I think that if most of us had the 8 million to buy her after the Oaks we too could do a fine job with her. It is liking saying Albert Pujols is having a great year because Tony LaRussa bats him third in the lineup. Scuds could manage the team and that guy would hit just as almost any trainer/owner combo could win with RA.

There are plenty of legit reasons not to run her on Pro Ride. If DrugS thinks she would be buried there is a dam good reason he is saying it. Sometimes horseman and handicappers need to work together. A friend of mine is a terrific handicapper and some horseman use him for advise. I have seen were his advised has made the trainers look very smart.

DrugS maybe a lot of things but he is no dummy when he says she would be trounced on Pro Ride there is some merit to it. I don't know if he is right but I know he is just not saying it to be an idiot.

Cannon Shell · #89 09-04-2009, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

So, just curious....

How many of you really honestly think having the Breeder's Cup at Santa Anita was a good idea?

No one thought it was a good idea (except for the braintrust at the BC and SA). But it is what it is. At least it wont rain.

freddymo · #90 09-04-2009, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Shiek Mo is pissed you called Sakhee a Coolmore horse. No season to Street Cry for you

What happened to Street Cry this year?

Cannon Shell · #91 09-04-2009, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

There are plenty of legit reasons not to run her on Pro Ride. If DrugS thinks she would be buried there is a dam good reason he is saying it. Sometimes horseman and handicappers need to work together. A friend of mine is a terrific handicapper and some horseman use him for advise. I have seen were his advised has made the trainers look very smart.

DrugS maybe a lot of things but he is no dummy when he says she would be trounced on Pro Ride there is some merit to it. I don't know if he is right but I know he is just not saying it to be an idiot.

If Jackson said that after consulting with Drugs he wouldnt run it would have more merit than what he is saying now.

CSC · #92 09-04-2009, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

So, just curious....

How many of you really honestly think having the Breeder's Cup at Santa Anita was a good idea?

I thought last year's BC was one of the better one's I have witnessed, the only one's against this are the traditionalists who probably have their own agenda's.
Ie. The sore losers

VOL JACK · #93 09-04-2009, 09:15 AM

It will be like picking

up off the ground.

Scav · #94 09-04-2009, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

So, just curious....

How many of you really honestly think having the Breeder's Cup at Santa Anita was a good idea?

I love the idea from a personal side, there is almost nothing better then watching races at Santa Anita 15 feet from the finish line for $10, drinking maragaritas served to you by hot struggling actresses, and jumping up in down because some crazy horse this Irish guy gives you wins easily.....

freddymo · #95 09-04-2009, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Even though her record over the last 3 years is just 1-for-13 ....

I think Anabaa's Creation is deserving of a re-match.

And even though she hasn't won a race in over a year - and that win was against Cal Breds - Lethal Heat deserves some love as well.

I just hope we see some good Euro fillies on Breeders Cup day.

Lethal Heat is a fine Cal bred.. She doesn't owe anybody a penny.

Cannon Shell · #96 09-04-2009, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

What happened to Street Cry this year?

He is having a better year overall, just fewer marquee horses. He already has more winners than last year and is on pace for more money especially if Zenyatta takes the soft path. He has had 7 stakes winners and 3 grade 1 winners this year.

freddymo · #97 09-04-2009, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If Jackson said that after consulting with Drugs he wouldnt run it would have more merit than what he is saying now.

Chuck I like you want to see Rachel run in the Classic but she likely won't. The crime is we have billions of dollars spent on training and racing dirt horses and Championship day is devoid of a dirt race. It's like they canceled the day and made a new one SURPISE. I think Jess thinks he can make a difference and make sure this never happens again. He has done a marvelous job racing her, unfortunately people will remember him for not racing her.

freddymo · #98 09-04-2009, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He is having a better year overall, just fewer marquee horses. He already has more winners than last year and is on pace for more money especially if Zenyatta takes the soft path. He has had 7 stakes winners and 3 grade 1 winners this year.

The 06 crop is OK I haven't seen anything from 07 come across the wire.
The 04 crop was so good that its hard to compare.

Danzig · #99 09-04-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC

Summer Bird(who has never raced on poly) and others are willing to take that risk? Why not the biggest star in the game? whose campaign is constantly being referred as a legacy in the making? Don't you want to know?

i already said if she were mine, i'd run her. but it's a call for her owners to make. just because someone else is going, doesn't make it the decision he should make for her.
hell, he decide to take on open competition, where's your posts saying ice should have done the same?

Danzig · #**100** 09-04-2009, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Okay, so it sucks. Regardless, its the championhip and its going to be the last championship at Santa Anita for a while. By the time they have another one out there, Jess might be...not so interested in horse racing. I understand that he is pissed but is his personal agenda more important than the sport especially considering the comments he has made?

If he has nothing to lose, why not run? Becaue SHE might lose?

thank goodness.

but i also take issue with the term 'championship'. these horses run all season, this is no super bowl. it's not football where the best left standing are the ones who duke it out. she won't be the only one skipping, and i perfectly understand why jess won't bring her. it certainly doesn't tarnish everything she's done if she skips it.

where are the offended that zenyatta never shipped again since early spring? or that other top horses in their respective groups such as fabulous strike won't be there. rachel is not the horse with something to prove here.

as for what is there to lose-he wants to run her next year. what if the surface switch (which everyone recognizes can and does pose a problem for horses making said move) caused an issue for rachel, one serious enough that she couldn't run another season?