Douglas to have surgery following spill

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by dean smith

Here's a bunch of 200 lb. guys arguing about how to race ride a horse. C'mon. Douglas himself would probably tell you these things happen once or twice a race and when there are catastrophic incidents such as these they are freak happenings. It sure looked like an accident to me when I saw it on YouTube. It's a dangerous sport. No need to crucify someone for trying to put his horse in position to win.

crucify seems a bit strong for stating the fact he caused the accident.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

crucify seems a bit strong for stating the fact he caused the accident.

That's not what was said. What was said was:

"He knew Douglas had more horse. He saw a spot open for Douglas. Knew he would win if he took it. So he made damn sure he couldn't take it"

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

and i know for a fact that hospital bad..dr.nick from the simpsons could have been on call...

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's not what was said. What was said was:

"He knew Douglas had more horse. He saw a spot open for Douglas. Knew he would win if he took it. So he made damn sure he couldn't take it"

I don't know about that, I didn't think Douglas was going anywhere with that horse.

[dean smith]

Fine. "Crucify" is too strong. How about "call for his head?"

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

and i know for a fact that hospital bad..dr.nick from the simpsons could have been on call...

And I know for a fact it's a terrific Level One trauma center. I was a paramedic out of that hospital system for years and I'll defend it against comments such as yours. I'd chose that hospital out of several in the NW suburbs if I had to. Your comment about "on call" shows you don't even understand how that ER is staffed.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dean smith

Fine. "Crucify" is too strong. How about "call for his head?"

So you, too, think Theriot deliberately took his path?

[Danzig]

i think he went for a path without making sure it was a clear one. i don't know that cutting off douglas was intentional, but it turned out to be disastrous.

[Riot]

From Blood-Horse:

Theriot was given 30 days for, “... permitting his mount, Sky Mom, to jostle another horse during the running of the (Arlington Matron)… causing the jostled horse to clip heels and fall, injuring both jockey and horse.”

"My thoughts and prayers go out to Rene and his family," a tearful Theriot said May 25 in an interview with The Blood-Horse. "I really, truly, feel horrible about what happened. I've never been put in this kind of situation. I feel for his wife, his kids, himself ... Every time we put these boots on, all of us don’t know what’s in store, but I never thought I would be part of something like this. I really, really hurt inside over what happened."

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think he went for a path without making sure it was a clear one. i don't know that cutting off douglas was intentional, but it turned out to be disastrous.

1) Don't we have "aggressive jocks" who straddle the line between aggressive and insane rides on all the major circuits. Plug in a name in New York, KY, or So Cal and you'll find riders who try to alter the laws of physics.

2) Chicago is one of the 3 or 4 best cities in the country for trauma care. Most Level 1 trauma centers work two rotating teams on 24 hour QOD call for the trauma service. The ED does initial assessment but the trauma team on call is aware of an incoming patient before they hit the door and assumes care almost immediately.

The whole thing is tragic but Rene may have been exceedingly lucky because of the city it happened in. Sometimes the outcome of an act determines how we view the intent.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

http://www.hbpa.org/HorsemensJournal...on=3&key1=3853

As far as "Cajun" riding goes, it refers to a comment made by Eddie Martin when he won the biggest race of the Claiming Crown. He fouled, and they let it go(big f'n surprise.) Then, after the results became official, Eddie Martin said to send Tyler Baze down to Louisiana for some schooling. Not only that, but in the Delta Jackpot, Garrett Gomez and another jock (Calvin Borel I think) sandwiched a horse badly. The stewards saw fit to simply ignore that, and Gomez n' Borel split the top prize(deadheat.) There is a history of ignoring infractions in Louisiana, and I do not see it as a coincidence that the rider who fouled Douglas has ridden most of his career in Louisiana. This is the state that gave a license to ride to a coke head that was so drunk he couldn't keep his car straight (in line)when trying to get some fast food at a drive thru.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by docicu3

1) Don't we have "aggressive jocks" who straddle the line between aggressive and insane rides on all the major circuits. Plug in a name in New York, KY, or So Cal and you'll find riders who try to alter the laws of physics.

2) Chicago is one of the 3 or 4 best cities in the country for trauma care. Most Level 1 trauma centers work two rotating teams on 24 hour QOD call for the trauma service. The ED does initial assessment but the trauma team on call is aware of an incoming patient before they hit the door and assumes care almost immediately.

The whole thing is tragic but Rene may have been exceedingly lucky because of the city it happened in. Sometimes the outcome of an act determines how we view the intent.

like they say, it's a fine line between bravery and stupidity.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

http://www.hbpa.org/HorsemensJournal...on=3&key1=3853

As far as "Cajun" riding goes, it refers to a comment made by Eddie Martin when he won the biggest race of the Claiming Crown. He fouled, and they let it go(big f'n surprise.) Then, after the results became official, Eddie Martin said to send Tyler Baze down to Louisiana for some schooling. Not only that, but in the Delta Jackpot, Garrett Gomez and another jock (Calvin Borel I think) sandwiched a horse badly. The stewards saw fit to simply ignore that, and Gomez n' Borel split the top prize(deadheat.) There is a history of ignoring infractions in Louisiana, and I do not see it as a coincidence that the rider who fouled Douglas has ridden most of his career in Louisiana. This is the state that gave a license to ride to a coke head that was so drunk he couldn't keep his car straight (in line)when trying to get some fast food at a drive thru.

sounds like the chrb.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

http://www.hbpa.org/HorsemensJournal...on=3&key1=3853

As far as "Cajun" riding goes, it refers to a comment made by Eddie Martin when he won the biggest race of the Claiming Crown. He fouled, and they let it go(big f'n surprise.) Then, after the results became official, Eddie Martin said to send Tyler Baze down to Louisiana for some schooling. Not only that, but in the Delta Jackpot, Garrett Gomez and another jock (Calvin Borel I think) sandwiched a horse badly. The stewards saw fit to simply ignore that, and Gomez n' Borel split the top prize(deadheat.) There is a history of ignoring infractions in Louisiana, and I do not see it as a coincidence that the rider who fouled Douglas has ridden most of his career in Louisiana. This is the state that gave a license to ride to a coke head that was so drunk he couldn't keep his car straight (in line)when trying to get some fast food at a drive thru.

I think in your own convoluted way you've FINALLY hit the nail on the head: it's not about the jockeys but the stewards. There's rough riding all the time, and the stewards choose to ignore it. For example, HERDING is allowed at just about every track. And, herding is every bit as dangerous, if not more so, than what Theriot is supposed to have done. Riders are going high speeds, in tight packs, with hard to control/predict animals, and a bunch of jerkoffs are in charge of policing them. Of course, they do have their degrees from STEWARDS SCHOOL.

In watching the replay, I saw a jock going for a hole that closed when Desormeaux come in when he entered the stretch, and another jock that was too close to the action to be able to recover in time. I thought Kent was every bit at fault as Theriot. In other words, I blame neither for what happened. I just accept it as a negative part of this type of event. This type of **** happens. It's unfortunate that someone was injured (and a horse was killed) but those participating know the risks. Everything else is just post event rhetoric.

[chucklestheclown]

http://www.nmh.org/nmh/specialtiesan...ncymedical.htm
You can try and judge the place for yourself off of this. I've been there and won't be back, God willing.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's not what was said. What was said was:

"He knew Douglas had more horse. He saw a spot open for Douglas. Knew he would win if he took it. So he made damn sure he couldn't take it"

Dougless did not have any horse IMO, he was tiring and the rider got impatient on the horse who had saved all the ground.

[dean smith]

Originally Posted by Riot

So you, too, think Theriot deliberately took his path?

What are you talking about? I was defending the guy. One of these armchair stewards said my use of "crucify" was too strong. If they're not trying to crucify Theriot, then at least they're "calling for his head."

Nevermind. I'm on the rider's side. Terrible, freak accident. I don't think Theriot was out there tradin' paint intentionally.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Riot

And I know for a fact it's a terrific Level One trauma center. I was a paramedic out of that hospital system for years and I'll defend it against comments such as yours. I'd chose that hospital out of several in the NW suburbs if I had to. Your comment about "on call" shows you don't even understand how that ER is staffed.

so they just have a spinal surgon/specialist sitting around in case he is needed..that is what on call means..

[GBBob]

Very nice piece on Rene and his early days along with lots of videos

http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/racin...d-caltech.aspx

[ELA]

Not for anything whatsoever, but blame, fault, coming in, getting out, had horse, didn't have horse -- none of this matters now at all. Not at all.

Let's all just keep hoping for the best for Rene and his family.

Eric