Bluegrass Cat - Page 4

hockey2315 · #61 08-07-2006, 04:55 PM

I think BGC could still have a chance at HOY without racing in the Travers. If neither BGC n'or Bright One race in the Travers, who will Bernardini beat if he wins? BGC won a GI impressively, while the Jim Dandy was only a GII. If those two don't meet until the BC and continue to win until then, I think that race could determine 3 yo of the year. If either one of them wins or runs very well, they'll get it. If not, give it to Barbaro. . .

Danzig · #62 08-07-2006, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't really think BGC has a shot at any award without a Travers win, especially not HOY. I suppose if he were to win the Jockey club Gold Cup, and Classic he'd get some votes for 3 year old champ, but I still think Barbaro would get it. You're forgetting Bernardini won the Preakness also. the only horse with a shot to take 3 year old other than Barbaro is Bernardini. A win in the Travers, against BGC and Bright One, or without them, and he makes a serious case for the award.

bluegrass still has a shot...he ran in two classic vs bernardinis single--yeah, that was a win, but bgc has two seconds....and his million dollar win yesterday has to put him on par w/ bernardini at THIS point.
i think it all comes down to whether one of them beats the older horses.

i hope he comes out well, and todd elects to run in the travers. this guy knows how to run 10f, we can only assume that bernardini can. and bright one to lead the way to the far turn. i can't remember the last time i felt so excited about the travers!

hockey2315 · #63 08-07-2006, 05:26 PM

Ya, but the Preakness had a weak field. BGC got second in the Derby and Belmont- both of which had much better fields than the Preakness. Especially when you take Barbaro out of the equation at Pimlico.

I'll admit that I'm a little anti-Bernardini though because of my allegiance to Barbaro. The only bet I made in the Preakness was an exacta with Barbaro over Bernardini, and I've seen Bernardini in person so I know how impressive he looks. As stupid as it may sound, I think I'll always resent him for what happened to Barbaro-even though he had nothing to do with it. It's a shame that Bernardini will always sort of have that over his head. It could've been Affirmed/Alydar all over again.

hockey2315 · #64 08-07-2006, 05:27 PM

Looks like Danzig kind of beat me to my point

Gander · #65 08-07-2006, 05:28 PM

Your high if you think the Belmont had a better field than the Preakness. That couldnt be further from the truth. The Preakness had Barbaro, Bernardini and the Sweetsaint, all of which are better than Jazil.

Bluegrass Cat ran a wow yesterday. He is legit if Pletcher keeps him going in the rght direction.

But the rest of that Belmont field was not anything to write home about.

High Finance, LOL. Had to be the stupidest bet I have ever made.

Danzig · #66 08-07-2006, 05:32 PM

i think the preakness was the better field, BUT...the champ got knocked out, and pretty much took bro derek off his game, and out of contention when he stopped in front of him. as for SNS, it was one too many at that point. i'll be surprised if he makes it back before years end.
the belmont was definitely the weakest field this year.

i just can't seem to quite wrap my mind around them skipping the third jewel with bernardini. wasn't like he was put thru a grinder this spring, he took it pretty easy. i really think they aimed specifically for the preakness to pull a 'red bullet', and play spoiler. i could be wrong....but it's what i think.

Gander · #67 08-07-2006, 05:36 PM

I would call that Belmont anything but a jewel. Sorry, it was the worst triple crown race I can ever remember.

Thank god Saratoga here and Belmont fall meet follows. No grade one stinkers. Every Saturday here is good. Even in fields like the Jim Dandy your treated to a stunning performance which kind of makes up for the lack of competition.

Danzig · #68 08-07-2006, 05:41 PM

no, there have been others that were bad. commendables for example. yikes.
hell, they even sent the horse out of the country!!

LARHAGE · #69 08-07-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Yeah I know, you just keep bashing Todd!! The guy has by all accounts(I'm sure even his own) a bad weekend yet manages a 3rd in the Whitney, a win in the Matchmaker stakes yesterday, a win in the million dollar Haskell, and an allowance win at the Spa yesterday. I guess he should be looking for some rope to hang himself with. His stable banked a million bucks this past week.

Not knocking him at all, but you seem to take pleasure in bashing all others, they don't have the numbers Todd does ( and the vet). The bottom line is you delight in taking cheap shots at Albertrani and say nothing when Pletchers short priced horses are dismal and up the track, he's always given an out in your eyes, the bottom line is Flower Alley stank just as much as Deputy Glitters and he was a far shorter price.

Danzig · #70 08-07-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Bluegrass's win yesterday equaled Bernardini's Jim Dandy, I don't care if it was a million dollar race or not. No way that field was any better than the Jim Dandy field. But Bernardini has a win in a Triple Crown race. Bluegrass's two seconds don't compare with the win. Bernardini already won at 1 3/16 I don't think that extra 1/16 will hamper him at all. I'm a fan of both, so I hope they give us a great race, but at this point, no way Bluegrass is on the same level in the eclipse race as Bernardini.

i'm looking forward to them meeting..but at this point, a win against older is what they need to get an eclipse.

hockey2315 · #71 08-07-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Your high if you think the Belmont had a better field than the Preakness. That couldnt be further from the truth. The Preakness had Barbaro, Bernardini and the Sweetsaint, all of which are better than Jazil.

Jazil is better than SNS- I wasn't counting Barbaro and I wasn't counting Bernardini because I was discussing who Bernardini beat. . .

Danzig · #72 08-07-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What's wrong with the fact that he skipped the Belmont? Bluegrass skipped the Preakness. You yourself said the Belmont was a weak field and Bluegrass didn't win the race.

yes, i said the field was the weakest of the three--doesn't translate as being a weak field necessarily. one of them had to be the weakest, right?

i just tend to have more respect for those that do, not those that skip..

Danzig · #73 08-07-2006, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

As champion 3 year old, I don't think so. Say bernardini wins the Travers, does he not deserve 3 year old of the year?

if bernardini wins the travers, but fails to beat older, than i feel barbaro will get the votes. because everyone will say well barbaro would have beaten them as well. plus barbaro won the derby...and there will be much speculation that barbaro would have been the tc winner had he stayed healthy. bernardini should have gone to the belmont, then they could argue that he had two classic wins had he won in ny.

hockey2315 · #74 08-07-2006, 05:47 PM

Nope. . . who's he going to beat? The only competition will be in the BC if BGC doesn't race in the Travers. . .

hockey2315 · #75 08-07-2006, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Who did BGC beat yesterday, it's a silly arguement. You can't fault a horse that runs in the premier 3 year old races if there is weak competition.

I agree that BGC didn't beat much either. BGC and Bernardini are pretty much even right now in terms of their performances so far. Look how much Barbaro beat BGC by in the derby and it's obvious that Barbaro was superior to any other horse this year. And it's not like BGC wasn't clearly 2nd best in the derby either.

hockey2315 · #76 08-07-2006, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

There are a few debateable statements here. First, I don't think they are even in performances. Before yesterday, Bluegrass cat had 1 win, in the Sam F. Davis. Not exactly the Preakness, as Bernardini had won. It's too difficult to say how superior Barbaro was, because he never got to face Bernardini. Also, given the trips some of the horses had, I don't know if on Derby day, he was the second best horse, although I can't take the result away.

BGC beat more finishing second in the derby than Bernardini did winning the preakness

Danzig · #77 08-07-2006, 06:35 PM

fact is that bernardini and bluegrass cat are the two best three year old colts in training. hopefully they tackle each other in the travers, settle the question of who is top dog (or cat?)...maybe!

hockey2315 · #78 08-07-2006, 06:35 PM

aaagh. . . i just realized that it says pimlico under my name. . .

Danzig · #79 08-07-2006, 06:44 PM

thank you...

at the very least, maybe all that strong contender hype can end!

hockey2315 · #80 08-07-2006, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Nah, I don't think so. Besides a win in the Preakness towers over a second in the Derby.

How did he not?

He beat all the good horses that Bernardini beat in the preakness plus Jazil, Steppenwolfer, Keyed Entry, Lawyer Ron, Sinister Minister, Point Determinded, AP Warrior, etc. . .