The Fierce Urgency of Pork

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by pgardn

So do nothing.
Ok we got your plan.
I think Herby Hoover did the same thing.

we've never done anything like this before, in far worse circumstances and now you're going to tell me that because unemployment is up to 7% we have to lose our heads and spend obscence amounts of money we don't have wherever we can?

you still haven't told me who is supposed to pay for it.

$937 billion divided by 138million taxpayers = $6,789 per taxpayer.
are you ready to cough up your part of it now? or do we just keep our eyes shut and hope that someone else deals with it later?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

we've never done anything like this before, in far worse circumstances and now you're going to tell me that because unemployment is up to 7% we have to lose our heads and spend obscence amounts of money we don't have wherever we can?

you still haven't told me who is supposed to pay for it.

$937 billion divided by 138million taxpayers = $6,789 per taxpayer.
are you ready to cough up your part of it now? or do we just keep our eyes shut and hope that someone else deals with it later?

tony and i are already paying more than that-wonder where it's all going...

[dellinger63]

Oh no, know this will be added to what your already paying but don't worry, like always the top 10% earners will pay 63% of the debt.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Milton is dead so he cant apologize.
But Alan Greenspan has.

We must have rules that dont allow Banks
to pull the crap they did. The, "let the
market take care of itself", looks very bad
right now.

We have those rules. as they were being broken and things were going awry, nobody wanted to listen to the people who sounded the alarm. The political watchdogs charged with overseeing things looked away. The whole system at the top has been corrupted my friend and the result is the US treasury is being raided, the debt register is set for the moon, and no one is minding the store.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

we've never done anything like this before, in far worse circumstances and now you're going to tell me that because unemployment is up to 7% we have to lose our heads and spend obscence amounts of money we don't have wherever we can?

you still haven't told me who is supposed to pay for it.

$937 billion divided by 138million taxpayers = $6,789 per taxpayer.
are you ready to cough up your part of it now? or do we just keep our eyes shut and hope that someone else deals with it later?

Actually I have no idea if this massive spending will work.
Nobody does. I do have a feeling if we just sit back
and do nothing we will be in deep. And unemployment
will not stay at 7% doing nothing. I personally have
no idea exactly what needs to be done.

But doing nothing...
It might work. But from what I read
and understand, it will not. Some of this stuff
is very complicated. So I am personally a bit perplexed
over what needs to be done, if anything.

I understand where you guys are coming from.
And I guarantee the 150 billion on education
will NOT be well spent in its entirety. I just see
places that it is needed because I live it. I dont
even teach in a lab room. They are too expensive.
Chemistry gets first dibbs, Biology second... as it should be.
I move from room to room. No room in our school
is ever open. I work out of a corner of a closet.
Teachers battle over computers to input grades
and write stuff. But we forge ahead. It could be
a lot worse.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

we've never done anything like this before, in far worse circumstances and now you're going to tell me that because unemployment is up to 7% we have to lose our heads and spend obscence amounts of money we don't have wherever we can?

you still haven't told me who is supposed to pay for it.

$937 billion divided by 138million taxpayers = $6,789 per taxpayer.
are you ready to cough up your part of it now? or do we just keep our eyes shut and hope that someone else deals with it later?

No let the interest build a few years then we can owe double or be foreclosed upon.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

you still haven't told me who is supposed to pay for it.

$937 billion divided by 138million taxpayers = $6,789 per taxpayer.
are you ready to cough up your part of it now? or do we just keep our eyes shut and hope that someone else deals with it later?

Yes.
Personally I am.

I get paid by the public so I am more
than willing. I am a county, school district,
city, state, and federal employee. Not officially,
but money comes from all these sources to
pay me. Very little federal though.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Yes.
Personally I am.

I get paid by the public so I am more
than willing. I am a county, school district,
city, state, and federal employee. Not officially,
but money comes from all these sources to
pay me. Very little federal though.

People who pay property taxes pay the bulk not the public at large.

Originally Posted by dellinger63

People who pay property taxes pay the bulk not the public at large.

Correct here.
But that is still the public in my area.
So I will still pay. Even though I am paying
myself since I live in the district.

And I do get about 30% from the state.
And less than 1% from the federal government
from grants to our district.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

You know I am the only one
replying here.

I think all the liberals are lazy and
of course asleep early Sunday morning.

Early here anyway.

I'm tired out over the censorship thing. Right now, the Conservatives are all energized. They have venom that needs to get out. They are AVIS(be tryin' harder.)

[ArlJim78]

"CBO, the official scorekeepers for legislation, said the House and Senate bills will help in the short term but result in so much government debt that within a few years they would crowd out private investment, actually leading to a lower Gross Domestic Product over the next 10 years than if the government had done nothing."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ver-long-haul/


funny, nowhere do they use they word catastrophe if the bill should not pass like dear leader was. I guess the politics of fear is alive and well after all.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

"CBO, the official scorekeepers for legislation, said the House and Senate bills will help in the short term but result in so much government debt that within a few years they would crowd out private investment, actually leading to a lower Gross Domestic Product over the next 10 years than if the government had done nothing."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ver-long-haul/


funny, nowhere do they use they word catastrophe if the bill should not pass like dear leader was. I guess the politics of fear is alive and well after all.

Jim ...the Republicans were hopping on the first stimulus package as dire also.
Most of the reading I have done claims the longer we wait, the worse it gets.
But this is interesting.

[dellinger63]

as I've said before they're all on the same boat. Repubs and Dems like two work comp attorneys, out for a good time on their clients dime. Unfortunately in politics the dime is paid by everyone who pays taxes. How about suspending their own pensions or having co-pays on their insurance. Only then will they understand and we'll all be dead and long gone before that ever happens.

Originally Posted by dellinger63

as I've said before they're all on the same boat. Repubs and Dems like two work comp attorneys, out for a good time on their clients dime. Unfortunately in politics the dime is paid by everyone who pays taxes. How about suspending their own pensions or having co-pays on their insurance. Only then will they understand and we'll all be dead and long gone before that ever happens.

They do get a terribly sweet deal on health care
and pensions. So they really dont feel the hurt.
Even though they express that they do.

I feel some of the worst are the Representatives.
Slimy bunch in the House. We are worried about
using too much paper at our school, and try
to cut back on dry erase markers. You know,
the real luxury items. And we fawn over someone
who brings their own stapler that can staple more than
6 pages together unlike the ones supplied.
Tis a sad life. But fun.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

They do get a terribly sweet deal on health care
and pensions. So they really dont feel the hurt.
Even though they express that they do.

I feel some of the worst are the Representatives.
Slimy bunch in the House. We are worried about
using too much paper at our school, and try
to cut back on dry erase markers. You know,
the real luxury items. And we fawn over someone
who brings their own stapler that can staple more than
6 pages together unlike the ones supplied.
Tis a sad life. But fun.

but i bet your athletic dept is well funded.

Originally Posted by Danzig

but i bet your athletic dept is well funded.

It is.
But this is what the public chooses.
And it totally pisses off a lot of teachers.

Contrary to my beliefs when I first
changed from a lab to a classroom, athletics
has a place (I thought it was ridiculous).
Primarily, our athletes have to pass
every class or they dont play. We have kept a lot
of kids in school and actually learning by the lure
of athletics. Very strange, but true. By the time
they mature to seniors, and realize they will not
play a sport after school...

well, they actually have some options.

And some kids that are actually good in the classroom
and good on the football field, really hit a gold mine.
I have a senior in Physics this year who is a good student,
a very good football player (although not recruited by top
Big 12 schools) going to Stanford full ride. Not bad.
His parents made sure before he signed that he would be
allowed to take real classes, not basketweaving.

[dellinger63]

[

And some kids that are actually good in the classroom
and good on the football field, really hit a gold mine.
I have a senior in Physics this year who is a good student,
a very good football player (although not recruited by top
Big 12 schools) going to Stanford full ride. Not bad.
His parents made sure before he signed that he would be
allowed to take real classes, not basketweaving.[/quote]

Great to hear. My fav teacher in HS Mr. Pasquesi was also a physics teacher. Although his classes were tough he'd give some points for trying to reason the problem out and putting down correct formulas regardless of the answer. He also took the time to make every answer a whole number giving the student a chance to go back and figure a mistake should he (all boys school) end with a fraction or decimal. Unfortunately he had to leave to pursue a career in the private sector as he had six kids to put thru college. Met up w/him last year and his last is finishing up law school and he plans on returning to Loyola. (Catholic school, little pay) hopefully some of your alum take the time to come back and say thank you

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Great to hear. My fav teacher in HS Mr. Pasquesi was also a physics teacher. Although his classes were tough he'd give some points for trying to reason the problem out and putting down correct formulas regardless of the answer. He also took the time to make every answer a whole number giving the student a chance to go back and figure a mistake should he (all boys school) end with a fraction or decimal. Unfortunately he had to leave to pursue a career in the private sector as he had six kids to put thru college. Met up w/him last year and his last is finishing up law school and he plans on returning to Loyola. (Catholic school, little pay) hopefully some of your alum take the time to come back and say thank you

Gotta give points for that.
Some kids get on the right track and just dont quite
get past a certain point. And the whole number thing
is a very good idea as it makes it easier on everyone.
I personally am not looking for the ability to use a calculator.
I am looking for reasoning and ability to work through a problem
using the correct ideas. IN college, if they major in Engineering,
they will get a good dose of precision. It is important. But not
as important as ideas right now.

As I type I just took 6 hrs to grade an exam for 3 classes today.
(I actually started in the morning while posting on the PORK issue.)
You have to look at the papers closely to see what they understand
and where the misconceptions come in. In fact I will address one
tomorrow as it reared its ugly head on the exam for some.

But I digress into the mundane...
I really like Physics though. Even though
I have a masters in Biochemistry. I found the right
spot. I am very lucky. Too bad your teacher had to quit.
I only have one child (a planned deal) so we could get her
to school.

I get a lot of kid coming back. I taught Advanced Placement Bio
for 15 years and that was 7 years back, so I have a lot of little doctors now.Kinda scary.
Got a number of kids that are professors. Very weird.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Jim ...the Republicans were hopping on the first stimulus package as dire also.
Most of the reading I have done claims the longer we wait, the worse it gets.
But this is interesting.

If you are talking about the TARP plan, that was not a stimulus package. It was supposed to be a cure for the mortgage mess and to shore up the credit markets. It was also a sham, but to say Republicans were hopping on board is not true. Yeah some of them merely go along for the ride, and are no different than Democrats, but there is a small group of committed fiscal Republicans who resisted that bill also.

Look, I'm not talking making a political case, that the Dems under Obama got it all wrong and the Republican wizards can show us the way. No, the Republicans are closer to correct but by and large they are also part of the big problem. We need to sweep away all of them and start over.


According to the CBO, even doing nothing the recession ends in 2009.

The pork plan, as large as it is, only releases $109 billion in spending this year according to the Washington Post.

So the question is, why do we need to authorize an extra trillion in spending now, and dole it out over several years? you would think that with all this talk of dire consequences, that this money should be put to work immediately. However most of the money is doled out in 2010. What a shocker! another election bought.

This gets Obama relected. It assures further Democratic gains in 2010. It puts an army of people on the democrats payroll basically. It solidifies and entrenches the one-party rule we have now. Obamas supporters were expecting lots of goodies with his election, and boy will he deliver in a big way.

Its dirty sleazy Chicago style politics, brazen and corrupt. I just hope people wake up and start thinking clearly.

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/200...imulus-as.html

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

If you are talking about the TARP plan, that was not a stimulus package. It was supposed to be a cure for the mortgage mess and to shore up the credit markets. It was also a sham, but to say Republicans were hopping on board is not true. Yeah some of them merely go along for the ride, and are no different than Democrats, but there is a small group of committed fiscal Republicans who resisted that bill also.

Look, I'm not talking making a political case, that the Dems under Obama got it all wrong and the Republican wizards can show us the way. No, the Republicans are closer to correct but by and large they are also part of the big problem. We need to sweep away all of them and start over.


According to the CBO, even doing nothing the recession ends in 2009.

The pork plan, as large as it is, only releases $109 billion in spending this year according to the Washington Post.

So the question is, why do we need to authorize an extra trillion in spending now, and dole it out over several years? you would think that with all this talk of dire consequences, that this money should be put to work immediately. However most of the money is doled out in 2010. What a shocker! another election bought.

This gets Obama relected. It assures further Democratic gains in 2010. It puts an army of people on the democrats payroll basically. It solidifies and entrenches the one-party rule we have now. Obamas supporters were expecting lots of goodies with his election, and boy will he deliver in a big way.

Its dirty sleazy Chicago style politics, brazen and corrupt. I just hope people wake up and start thinking clearly.

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/200...imulus-as.html

Fulfillment of wishlists and spending that will never be traced or quantified to help fix the problems we face at this time.