Gotta love this broad

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by monipenny

If you want to change the game of horse racing then be a outspoken advocate about what ills this game and not just on message boards. Why don't you start buying some horses and selecting trainers that don't use drugs and start yelling from your soap box how your starting a precedent to cleaning the game up. Money talk$ and bull$hit walks bub. I also agree strongly with much that FGfan stated about Maggi Moss. Everyone is entitled to a fair defense and she is coming to their defense. She is also exactly what we need for the game by the way. Every horse can't be a Grade 1 winner, and most horses she runs are claimers and upper level allowance horses.

Put yourself in Maggi Moss' shoes. She wakes up monday and says I want to do something good for the game. I think I should:

A) Pull my horses from these trainers who have checkered pasts and give them to trainers who might not have such crazy win percentages as the checkered ones, but are successful.

B) Say that guys like Dutrow, Assmussen are not the problem and we should look past them and go after the testing labs instead. Then go on to instead put my energy into defending these guys.


She is choosing B. There is a lot wrong with that. Sorry if you cant see that.

One of the ways to get rid of this problem is for owners to stop sending horses to guys who juice. She chooses not to and still use them. So I dont want to hear how she is so good for the game.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Put yourself in Maggi Moss' shoes. She wakes up monday and says I want to do something good for the game. I think I should:

A) Pull my horses from these trainers who have checkered pasts and give them to trainers who might not have such crazy win percentages as the checkered ones, but are successful.

B) Say that guys like Dutrow, Assmussen are not the problem and we should look past them and go after the testing labs instead. Then go on to instead put my energy into defending these guys.


She is choosing B. There is a lot wrong with that. Sorry if you cant see that.

One of the ways to get rid of this problem is for owners to stop sending horses to guys who juice. She chooses not to and still use them. So I dont want to hear how she is so good for the game.

fwiw, stone, i agree with you completely on all of the above. plenty of clean trainers out there--if maggi's contention is that testing is flawed, isn't it amazing how it keeps tagging the same few guys?!?! what are the odds? she wants them excused, as she uses them, and doesn't want anyone pointing fingers at her-and they should be pointing directly at her and others who hire these trainers--they hire them because they want that edge, they want that win regardless of how it's obtained.

[GPK]

Let the record show that I think I am very doable. Im easy too

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Danzig

fwiw, stone, i agree with you completely on all of the above. plenty of clean trainers out there--if maggi's contention is that testing is flawed, isn't it amazing how it keeps tagging the same few guys?!?! what are the odds? she wants them excused, as she uses them, and doesn't want anyone pointing fingers at her-and they should be pointing directly at her and others who hire these trainers--they hire them because they want that edge, they want that win regardless of how it's obtained.

Thanks.....nice to see someone out there who sees it the same way. My main point which the other two lunatics cant seem to comprehend is that she could do whole lot more for racing than blaming the test labs, defending trainers who cheat, and employing trainers with checkered pasts.

Like you said...what it comes down to is the owners. They want that edge no matter how they get it. If owners REALLY wanted to help the game they would stop sending horses to these guys. Pull there horses and give em to the Mott's, Zito's, Tagg's of the world. Guys like Dutrow,Mullins,Lake would be outta business in a matter of time. Would be nice to see guys like Jack Van Berg back in the winner's circle. With the scum removed from the game, more horses could be sent to guys like him.

[FGFan]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

I love how since I dont agree with you I missed the point. Your ignorance continues to show. Moss said on tv that the problem is much bigger than Dutrow and Assmussen and we should basically look past them. She blames the states and their testing policies. Maybe you get a different version of HRTV. That is a crock of sh#t. These guys know the rules and bend them ALL the time.


Oh yeah....you might want to check the definition of the word rumor in your dictionary. You seemed to be very confused on what it means.

You still keeping missing the point...don't know what to say to that.

Let me try one more time....maybe if I put it in a different color....
My issue was with the FALSE information, your thoughts, you posted as if it was fact.
How much clearer can I make it. It has nothing to do with what you or I think of Maggi Moss, Assmussen or Dutrow. It has to do with you stating your opinions as fact.
Then of course you have to get all "looney" as if you just came out of the 'bin" and got all defensive.
I never said I condoned anything that was said or done.., I never defended their practices....well I did the new horse foundation for injured horses, hard to hate on that, but I'm sure you will.
You seem to think I disagree with your perception of them, when actually you wouldn't know any better because you got defensive. I actually never disagreed with you, I just said your portrayal of the interview was not factual.


I think you need this definition more than I do.
Rumor

n.

1. A piece of unverified information of uncertain origin usually spread by word of mouth.
2. Unverified information received from another; hearsay.

You just didn't like I verified what you said was not the truth it was just your opinion of an interview, so now you have to call me names.

I get it, you just think by calling people names they will concede to your opinion. You just like to argue and hate on people, boards, horses, owners, trainers.
Why do you play the game if you hate everything about it?

Let me ask you this, when betting do you use any of your hated trainers/owners horses? If not good for you, if so then you are a hypocrite.

And as far as Moss, well he also said that lasix has no benefits, to which Peter Lurrie responded they had a horse that bled and put it on lasix and it doesn't bleed. Moss had no repsonse.

Can you ever have a discussion without calling people names that dont' agree with you?
Maybe I shouldn't have asked you questions because you will carry on your usual mode of operation and call me names.

[FGFan]

Originally Posted by GPK

Let the record show that I think I am very doable. Im easy too

We'd have to get a picture of you so we could all critique it first.....

Easy does not always equate to doable....
This isn't even a word, I know because I was told to use the dictionary tonite.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas

Probably count on one hand the number that are just as successful.
Pletcher is the obvious 1st, as well as most of Lukas' protégées. A few year back one of Vienna's assistants Tim Yakteen looked like he was going to go someplace, but has sorta fizzled out since.

I think you're thinking of Darrell Vienna's assistant Tim Pinfield, who's claim to fame was training the good sprinter Big Jag (whom he got off of Vienna). He had "financial" troubles a little while after and fled to train privately in Singapore. Had more trouble there and got booted out.

Of course, with ten years or so going by, his financial debts in CA are no longer much of an issue and sure enough, he was welcomed back with open arms recently in SoCal where he has a string of 10 or so horses. Not sure if he's started any yet.

Tim Yakteen is an ex-Whittingham and Baffert assistant who has done fairly well since going out on his own a couple of years ago.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by monipenny

If you want to change the game of horse racing then be a outspoken advocate about what ills this game and not just on message boards. Why don't you start buying some horses and selecting trainers that don't use drugs and start yelling from your soap box how your starting a precedent to cleaning the game up. Money talk$ and bull$hit walks bub. I also agree strongly with much that FGfan stated about Maggi Moss. Everyone is entitled to a fair defense and she is coming to their defense. She is also exactly what we need for the game by the way. Every horse can't be a Grade 1 winner, and most horses she runs are claimers and upper level allowance horses.

Have you?
and if so..???

[Scav]

I missed this gem of a thread, but I will say this to FGFan. I do not have the time to research Amoss and any possible positives that he has HAD. BUT I will say that he might be the ONLY trainer that could get Perfect Drift to win. This guy moves up 5 year old horses better then anyone, and I am not talking 1-2 pts improvements, 5-7 pts improvements off the claim. Don't be naive

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Scav

I missed this gem of a thread, but I will say this to FGFan. I do not have the time to research Amoss and any possible positives that he has HAD. BUT I will say that he might be the ONLY trainer that could get Perfect Drift to win. This guy moves up 5 year old horses better then anyone, and I am not talking 1-2 pts improvements, 5-7 pts improvements off the claim. Don't be naive

Odd, since you were the one that started this thread.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by FGFan

You still keeping missing the point...don't know what to say to that.

Let me try one more time....maybe if I put it in a different color....
My issue was with the FALSE information, your thoughts, you posted as if it was fact.
How much clearer can I make it. It has nothing to do with what you or I think of Maggi Moss, Assmussen or Dutrow. It has to do with you stating your opinions as fact.
Then of course you have to get all "looney" as if you just came out of the 'bin" and got all defensive.
I never said I condoned anything that was said or done.., I never defended their practices....well I did the new horse foundation for injured horses, hard to hate on that, but I'm sure you will.
You seem to think I disagree with your perception of them, when actually you wouldn't know any better because you got defensive. I actually never disagreed with you, I just said your portrayal of the interview was not factual.


I think you need this definition more than I do.
Rumor

n.

1. A piece of unverified information of uncertain origin usually spread by word of mouth.
2. Unverified information received from another; hearsay.

You just didn't like I verified what you said was not the truth it was just your opinion of an interview, so now you have to call me names.

I get it, you just think by calling people names they will concede to your opinion. You just like to argue and hate on people, boards, horses, owners, trainers.
Why do you play the game if you hate everything about it?

Let me ask you this, when betting do you use any of your hated trainers/owners horses? If not good for you, if so then you are a hypocrite.

And as far as Moss, well he also said that lasix has no benefits, to which Peter Lurrie responded they had a horse that bled and put it on lasix and it doesn't bleed. Moss had no repsonse.

Can you ever have a discussion without calling people names that dont' agree with you?
Maybe I shouldn't have asked you questions because you will carry on your usual mode of operation and call me names.

Obviously you and I saw the show and interpretted what SHE said much differently. Nothing I posted was false. It's funny how you disagree with something I post and call it false.

I think that if Moss builds a center to help old/injured horses thats great. Really. But that wont do a damn thing to help the game. She will be trying to fix a problem after the fact. Maybe if she didnt employ the trainers that end up hurting these horses, there wouldnt be a need for such a center.

Again you seem very offended with the way I post. I am sorry you dont like how I post....and seem to know a lot about me. When did I say I hate the game so much. Been following it for 23 yrs. You seem to be implying something which isnt true. Maybe I should start a thread about you spreading riumors about me? And please explain to me how betting on a trainer like Lake is being a hypocrite. Thats too damn funny. Also beyond a pathetic example. Seriously....think before you post some of this nonsense. Or maybe in your best interest just ignore me.

[FGFan]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Obviously you and I saw the show and interpretted what SHE said much differently. Nothing I posted was false. It's funny how you disagree with something I post and call it false.

I think that if Moss builds a center to help old/injured horses thats great. Really. But that wont do a damn thing to help the game. She will be trying to fix a problem after the fact. Maybe if she didnt employ the trainers that end up hurting these horses, there wouldnt be a need for such a center.

Again you seem very offended with the way I post. I am sorry you dont like how I post....and seem to know a lot about me. When did I say I hate the game so much. Been following it for 23 yrs. You seem to be implying something which isnt true. Maybe I should start a thread about you spreading riumors about me? And please explain to me how betting on a trainer like Lake is being a hypocrite. Thats too damn funny. Also beyond a pathetic example. Seriously....think before you post some of this nonsense. Or maybe in your best interest just ignore me.

Oh now what, is that supposed to be some kind of cyber threat?

Frankly I don't know anything about you other than what you post here of which is almost always rude and antagonistic, that's why I generally skip over your posts.
I also knew you couldn't respond without calling me, or anyone else you disagree with, names.

As far as being offended by your posts, no not at all, I just think it's rude, ridiculous, and here's your favorite word..PATHETIC. If you did have something worthwhile to say it gets lost in all your nasty comments. If your attempting to be funny, it's not, leave it to the real board comedians.

You still don't get it, your opinions, your interpertation, are not a factual rendetion of that interview. That's all I was saying, but apparently you cannot understand that. It's pointless to try to explain anything to you I'd have better results talking to a brick wall. You can have the last word, I've lost interest.

[FGFan]

Originally Posted by Scav

I missed this gem of a thread, but I will say this to FGFan. I do not have the time to research Amoss and any possible positives that he has HAD. BUT I will say that he might be the ONLY trainer that could get Perfect Drift to win. This guy moves up 5 year old horses better then anyone, and I am not talking 1-2 pts improvements, 5-7 pts improvements off the claim. Don't be naive

I'm not naive, and I do find it curious. But I think in this time of hysteria over horse racing you should have not said Amoss had a positive when you didn't know for sure, you were just assuming.
However, when I did ask you about it you responded by saying you didn't know, but that your guessing due to his move up off the claim, so it was clarified. I just think it's dangerous to accuse people of infractions with legal ramifications when there is no proof.
As far as I can find he doesn't, nor can I even find any fines. I do actually read the meetings from the Louisiana Racing Commission, lots of other trainers and owners are in there going back to 2003.
What I did find funny though is how many people/patrons get ejected/banned from the racetracks and OTB's, shocking.

Originally Posted by Cajungator

Odd, since you were the one that started this thread.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by FGFan

Oh now what, is that supposed to be some kind of cyber threat?

Frankly I don't know anything about you other than what you post here of which is almost always rude and antagonistic, that's why I generally skip over your posts.
I also knew you couldn't respond without calling me, or anyone else you disagree with, names.

As far as being offended by your posts, no not at all, I just think it's rude, ridiculous, and here's your favorite word..PATHETIC. If you did have something worthwhile to say it gets lost in all your nasty comments. If your attempting to be funny, it's not, leave it to the real board comedians.

You still don't get it, your opinions, your interpertation, are not a factual rendetion of that interview. That's all I was saying, but apparently you cannot understand that. It's pointless to try to explain anything to you I'd have better results talking to a brick wall. You can have the last word, I've lost interest.

Now I am threatening you. Do you know how to read and what certain words mean when grouped together in a sentence ? I said it's probably best to ignore me seeing how I obviosuly offend you. Perhaps you need some reading lessons. You continually take what I say and twist it into something different. It's funny how you continue to insult me and toss names at me, but I am the bully. I really put you on tilt huh?

A two page, soon to be three page thread on Maggi Moss that's turned serious in nature. Sickening.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

A two page, soon to be three page thread on Maggi Moss that's turned serious in nature. Sickening.

Try to follow along.......it goes 1.....2......3......4.......5.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Try to follow along.......it goes 1.....2......3......4.......5.

Maybe for the special people it does.

[odbaxter]

Originally Posted by Scav

You would make here yell

G-P-K

LOL

[odbaxter]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Man...another one comes out from the looney bin. Now I shouldnt voice my opinion..I should buy horses instead. Do you actually think before writing this nonsense bub? Maybe you should open your eyes and look around. I am one of many on here who think there is a lot wrong right now. So according to you, unless I buy some horses I shouldnt speak up? What do you do for the game ? Is your money talking?

You bet. (Pardon the pun). I know that I put my money on the line despite knowing that these cheating ***** don't give a ****. I can't wait for someone to throw one of these guys clear out of the sport. Permanently.