Denis of Cork's stock on the rise

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

Out of curiousity,,, Steve,Drugs,Hossy,Coach,Hooves,Scavs,Andy,Dannie, et al, who are the ones that you see as having the least/lesser questions to answer at this time??

By the way, this is obviously not the same as asking who are you are betting in the Derby...

To answer your question, I think Pyro is obviously the one with the fewest question to address.

That is why I've been calling him "the most likely Derby winner" all year long. He's done nothing to enhance his reputation that much - but he still is the horse who deserves the most likely winner label.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You can't be serious. Basing decisions on where a jock ends up, when you have no idea what the reason is, is a sure fire way to going broke.

I sorta disagree with this. This is the time of year when you want the midget to commit to one horse for the derby. Now any other race and your point is valid.

It's just another piece to the puzzle of Denis of Cork, albeit a small piece.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Who cares who rides the horse?

Would your opinion of Denis of Cork change if Stewart Elliott got the mount?

[hockey2315]

Elysium Fields has way more question marks than Denis. . .

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I see what you are saying, but I can probably count on one hand the number of horses I haven't bet because of the rider. Seriously, how much do riders really matter if Elliot has a Derby win already?

Well really it's more of a question of why Alporodeo and his agent decided to stay at Keeneland and ride the filly instead of taking the mount on Denis in the Wood. Either they're both stupid or Denis isn't what the media and some fans are making him out to be.

It might be crazy reasoning on my part but I've been suspicious of this horse from the get-go.

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Elysium Fields has way more question marks than Denis. . .

I wouldn't say way more...

He's improved this winter and the FOY was a very impressive performance considering the post he had to overcome.

The big question mark with him is how will he perform away from GP.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...ory?id=3300354

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I wouldn't say way more...

He's improved this winter and the FOY was a very impressive performance considering the post he had to overcome.

The big question mark with him is how will he perform away from GP.

Well he has one win in 5 starts. . . (I actually like him a little but to say that he's anywhere close to DofC at this point is ridiculous). . .

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

There you go, it wasn't a decision between the 2. He made the commitment to Country Star first, thus he and his agent are honoring it.

It's not that cut and dry. Exceptions are usually made with derby horses.

It's odd that Albarado would honor the commitment on a horse that, in all likelihood, goes back to Bejarano when he returns.

This, to me, is what stood out...

"Albarado also was the most recent rider for Carroll's other Kentucky Derby prospect, Blackberry Road, who will run in the Illinois Derby or one week later in the Arkansas Derby at Oaklawn. Regardless, Blackberry Road will get a new rider, Carroll said."

[JJP]

I expect Dennis of Cork to be severely overbet next time out. Had a dream pace scenario in the Southwest with the :45 1/5 yet they finished in 1:37 amd change. The field was strung out 15-20 lengths. Sierra Sunset, who finished 2nd, ran a superior race by being much closer to the blazing pace.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by JJP

I expect Dennis of Cork to be severely overbet next time out. Had a dream pace scenario in the Southwest with the :45 1/5 yet they finished in 1:37 amd change. The field was strung out 15-20 lengths. Sierra Sunset, who finished 2nd, ran a superior race by being much closer to the blazing pace.

debatable

Oaklawn is a speed track. Sierra Sunset cruised eight lengths behind Sacred Journey. Because OP is a 8furlong oval, you only get 16 seconds from the stretch to the finish line.

If this was Fairgrounds, with the 24 second stretch, and DOC only wins by 3, then you have a huge argument.

Pyro was only a length ahead of My Pal Charlie @ 16 seconds in the La.

It is a close call whether Sunset or Cork ran a better race @ oaklawn that day. I'll go with the bold move and strong finish, but you have a good argument.