Mitchell Report Guessing Game

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I heard Costas on ESPN radio this morning.

One item with which I disagree (though this gets into the issue of Hall of Fame voting): Costas said that Bonds and Clemens should be withheld from the Hall on their first ballots. Nonsense. That's not punishment if they are subdequently voted into the Hall.

Either they've satisfied the requirements or they haven't.

That's ludicrous. Who cares...if you really want to get technical you have to ban or withhold everyone for a year who played after 1984 as you have no idea who juiced and who didn't. Very few will admit it openly. I certainly believe Clemens used...but what do you have really?? The testimony of a guy. That's it. flimsy.

[Mortimer]

They should all be shot and replaced with test lab monkeys.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This may a big story for the media but they really didn't reveal anything that hadn't already been rumored already. Most of the players named are retired or not any good. There have been plenty of rumors surrounding Clemens already. It is hard to believe that this cost $60 million to produce.

Yes but it will clean up baseball.
How the crud else was this going to happen?
The player's union, the players, the owners, the trainers... hell freezes when they come clean.

bunch of friggin cheaters...

but...what about the purity of the game?

[whodey17]

What surprised me the most is that I do not recall seeing Mark McGuire's name on the list.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

but...what about the purity of the game?

3 strikes, 4 balls, 27 outs. It's still pure....that won't change!! In keeping with the spirit if I were Bud Selig here is what I would do. Legalize everything and go with 350 pound DHs with aluminum bats..or super ball corked wooden bats...doesn't matter. And allow the pitchers to take tool chests out to the mound as well...vaseline/emory boards/syringes etc. Go to kick ball rules where you can get a guy out on the basepaths by hitting them with a thrown ball. This would induce full body armor uniforms which would enhance marketing for the clubs as everyone gets new uniforms. Go to 2 DH lineups so you have 10 total in the batting order. More offense. Make Manny cut his hair and force the Yankees to allow Damon to play in his Captain Caveman gear. clemens wins his 8th, 9th , and 10th cy youngs with full public moonings on the mound juicing himself and Bonds aproaches 950 home runs as he is already used to the full body armor uniforms. McGwire finally speaks and states how unfair it is Bonds and others get to play under these rules. Canseco fails to latch onto any team.

Then after 5 years you will then have your HGH testing policy in place after the developmental HGH MLB testing team develops their fool proof system to catch all cheaters. And all will be cleansed and we go back to only 1 DH.

After that all the games problems will be solved.

[Cannon Shell]

Is it not ironic that the NFL which surely has the same issues with HGH seems to get a free pass?

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Is it not ironic that the NFL which surely has the same issues with HGH seems to get a free pass?

The NFL is perfect. Just ask Bobby Petrino.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Is it not ironic that the NFL which surely has the same issues with HGH seems to get a free pass?

Nobody in the NFL is on Steroids or HGH and most certainly nobody in the NBA smokes weed.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by pdrift1

exactly what i had said in a ealier post.

i'm sick as i think most baseball fans are of hearing about steroids all the time. who cares. its done. time to move on.there will always be newer drugs to use so your not going to stop it just try to control it as best you can

you will never get a handle on this thing, the scope of it is to big, so thier is no way to fairly judge one and leave out the countless others who are going to get away with it

i'm not going to even waste my time reading this report cause i could give a **** less. it was what it was-is what it is . let it go.

put a disclaimer in the front of the record books as costas said(can't believe i even agree with him-hate him) and let people form thier own opinions.

and yes if i had a vote bonds and clemens would be going to the hall of fame

case closed

i'm ready for opening day 2008.

There is a way to get a handle on it. Ask Marion Jones where her medals are.
Ask Ben Johnson what's going on with his. How about Floyd Landis. If the other sports can help curb it by pulling back awards then why can't MLB.
Why? Players association. But to just say let's not worry about it and let's play is a little ignorant. It's a mess and it's wrong and I believe the Mitchell Report is a step towards weeding out some of the scum that made a choice to use the juice.

[Mortimer]

I wonder if they'll eventually get the the corporate worlds c-level guys?














Nah.

[Mortimer]

That still doesn't explain why Mark McGuire's name is not in the report.

[Danzig]

like i told my kids this morning, if they're all using it, why bother? the playing field is releveled, right?

they're still cheaters. glad i'm not a baseball fan. i'll stick to football, where they're all pure as the driven snow.....

[golfer]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Could there have been any more Mets' catchers on this list?

How did Mitchell miss Jerry Grote?

The ball sure did jump off Al Weis' bat in the fall of 1969 (for one swing, anyway).

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Is it not ironic that the NFL which surely has the same issues with HGH seems to get a free pass?

The NFL did not personally ask George Mitchell to come in like Selig did. And the NFL has already indicted a number of players for using and selling HGH... Im sure its not perfect. But the NFL turned guys in after testing positive as far back as 1993. So I think the NFL, while not perfect, was at least ahead of the wave.

BTW.
Every High School athlete in Texas is subject to random testing at any time starting next year. Their parents will be notified that they will be tested if chosen, and will have 2 hrs to make it to the school if they choose to be with their child while they are giving samples. They expect to hit about 5% of the athletes. Not enough. But certainly something to think about. They will also target kids who have gained a lot of muscle mass in a short period of time. Strength coaches etc... are required to keep track of the kids. If a coach is known to have any idea that a kid may be involved in the use or selling of a specific group of hormones and they do not report the alleged violation, termination is possible if the player tests positive. Coaches are asked to actively insure the safety of the athletes and seek out suspected problems.
Kind of like we (teachers) already have to do if we have evidence that a kid might be subject to abuse at home.

Also.
I think Selig, by asking Mitchell to help with this, is leaving wiggling room for the Fed. government to intervene. Mitchell is no longer a senator. But he is certainly a respected arbitrator and investigator. I think the problem is too big for MLB because it has gone on too long and their are too many entities to deal with.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

The NFL is perfect. Just ask Bobby Petrino.

i love this defense of a completely broken down dysfunctional sport.

how many players has baseball suspended for steroid use?

i'll take the nfl -10 for whatever you want to bet.

the nfl put in enforcement mechanisms decades ago.

is the league drug free? no. did they at least acknowlege they had a problem and try to deal with it before it was so bad they had to throw their hands in the air and ask for help?

the problem with baseball is the fans. you specifically.

you lament the one good thing this sport has done. you're an enabler.

[JJP]

This should make it definitive Clemens is NOT the best pitcher of this generation.

[3kings]

Who is? And how do you know they didn't use,

[JJP]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Who is? And how do you know they didn't use,

I would say with 99.99999999999% certainty that Greg Maddux never used steroids.