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Old 07-21-2007, 07:29 AM
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Chuck has a couple things to vote on per the website. http://www.deeteestable.blogspot.com/

I wanted to talk about her potential boyfriend. Not a bum among 'em.


Empire Maker $100,000 live foal - I think that his dam is what adds value to the prospect.

Ghostzapper $200,000 live foal - Are there any BC Classic champs that make good sires?

Mineshaft $100,000 - so so. Don't think he has produced any runners of note yet.

Rock Hard Ten $50,000 - this big boy may ruin her but he has a decent profile.

If I had to pay the stud fee I would look for a bargain. I think you are lucky to get it back at auction though. The freshman sires usually drop down after the initial buzz. Look at Point Given & Fusaichi Pegasus. Horses like Benchmark used to be $5,000 may still be. He was the sire of Brother Derek.


what about Charismatic $35,000 or his sire Summer Squall $50,000.

Here's a website that evaluates studs in different price ranges.

http://thoroughbredreview.com/StallionWatch.htm
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Old 07-21-2007, 07:45 AM
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RAHY, PLEASANT TAP or SMART STRIKE

Quiet American might be interesting.
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Old 07-21-2007, 07:49 AM
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Chuck has a couple things to vote on per the website. http://www.deeteestable.blogspot.com/

I wanted to talk about her potential boyfriend. Not a bum among 'em.


Empire Maker $100,000 live foal - I think that his dam is what adds value to the prospect.

Ghostzapper $200,000 live foal - Are there any BC Classic champs that make good sires?
Awesome Again, Sunday Silence, Unbridled, A.P. Indy to name a few

those sires are pretty high for her right now. she'll need to win a few stakes before she can be bred to one of those big boys. some of their stud fees are higher than what she's probably worth currently
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Old 07-21-2007, 08:42 AM
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Awesome Again, Sunday Silence, Unbridled, A.P. Indy to name a few

those sires are pretty high for her right now. she'll need to win a few stakes before she can be bred to one of those big boys. some of their stud fees are higher than what she's probably worth currently
While I agree AA is a great sire, I never really considered Awesome Again a BC Classic Champion Silly ride on Swain. Lucky Pat Day
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While I agree AA is a great sire, I never really considered Awesome Again a BC Classic Champion Silly ride on Swain. Lucky Pat Day

true, still won the race though..........one of the quirkiest races ive ever seen.
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Old 07-21-2007, 09:26 AM
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I voted for Rock Hard Ten as I want the best time for Sumwon LOL

and who voted that I would likely be kicked out of the track? I've been kicked out of Arlington less than 5 times.
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Chuck has a couple things to vote on per the website.

Mineshaft $100,000 - so so. Don't think he has produced any runners of note yet.
John,

I'd say it's a little premature to call Mineshaft "so-so" and "not having produced any runners of note yet" considering a whopping 3 of his produce (6 starts) have hit the track to this point...

At least with Mineshaft you can feel good that his running record was based on talent without added influence of chemical enhancement.
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John,

I'd say it's a little premature to call Mineshaft "so-so" and "not having produced any runners of note yet" considering a whopping 3 of his produce (6 starts) have hit the track to this point...

At least with Mineshaft you can feel good that his running record was based on talent without added influence of chemical enhancement.
If they're anything like Mineshaft, they'll develop late anyway.

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Old 07-22-2007, 08:31 AM
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If they're anything like Mineshaft, they'll develop late anyway.
was about to say the same thing. ap indys are known to take time, and patience--the end result speaks for itself. i'm thinking mineshaft will be similar.
i think a sire from the family of seattle slew would be right for her.
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Old 07-22-2007, 09:19 AM
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I've never bred a horse in my life, but here's a dream list of what I'd look for. Nobody finds the dream, it's always a compromise.

I don't know the stallions well enough to know this, so maybe others that do know the stallions and what they throw can answer?

- middle-sized sire (not too big and doesn't throw huge babies, as Sumwon is a big girl)
- relatively compact conformation (but stayer type rather than sprinter type), very balanced with an athletic open way of moving, moderate with no extremes
- ** most important: throws good front legs consistently (good sturdy bone, absolutely no toeing out or back at the knees, a good big foot and has heel - good luck finding this in many thoroughbreds )
- deficient in Mr. Prospector in the pedigree
- precocity as 2-year-old not important
- tendency to have babies do better at 7f or over
- ** good temperment, sensible babies that are not crazy, stupid, and wired to the brink of insanity

If a stallion was deficient in ** I'd walk away and not consider him at all

Boy, Awesome Again (I just went and looked at him) - nice!

I like Dixieland Band, too - nothing flashy, and not alot of graded stakes runners, but they seem to last and run at 2-3-4 years age
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I like Dixieland Band, too - nothing flashy, and not alot of graded stakes runners, but they seem to last and run at 2-3-4 years age
And a really good Broodmare sire (although I'm fondest of Deputy Minister) Poor guy though...I went with someone to take a mare to AP Indy and Dixieland Band was in the shed first...he had NO interest. I love the look of the yearlings by his son, Dixie Union, although I think he is overpriced. Athletic looking horses that don't look overly developed or will need a lot of time.
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Old 07-23-2007, 09:49 PM
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This guy is obviously NOT a potential husband for Sumwon, but this is a cute picture of him:

http://www.finalturngallery.com/g2/v...ome_2.jpg.html
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This guy is obviously NOT a potential husband for Sumwon, but this is a cute picture of him:

http://www.finalturngallery.com/g2/v...ome_2.jpg.html
I didn't even notice that picture! VERY cute.
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Old 07-23-2007, 09:56 PM
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How about Van Nistelrooy for Sumwon? I bet his fee goes up for next year, though... although he's a son of Storm Cat, I kinda like him.

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How about Van Nistelrooy for Sumwon? I bet his fee goes up for next year, though... although he's a son of Storm Cat, I kinda like him.

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I was just looking at a photo of him...I like it.
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