Michelle Wie

[herkhorse]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Then ESPN had it wrong Kev the way it was described last night.

not a big surprise

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by golfer

I realize there's not a whole lot of sympathy for her, but PGA tournament golf sure has some absurd, bizarre and antiquated rules! I'm sorry, but disqualified because she had walked a few feet too far away from the scorer's tent before someone caught her and reminded her to sign her scorecard? That's just a tad ridiculous, don't you think?

I agree. It's the same for everybody, but it's not an excuse for it being a stupid rule that should be left behind. Just because everybody can possibly get terminal cancer, doesn't make it a cool thing. Still awful, and so is somebody geting disqualified for something done off the course. I find it to be a careless mistake she made, and everybody makes them. She makes more stupid mistakes than most. Her and Andruw B. Whiffin'-Jones are fck ups. It's amazing how we tolerate bad calls in other sports, but disqualify a golfer for not signing their card until reminded to do so. Letting somebody start a new round, and then telling them they can't remain in the tournament(for something done after the previous round) is absurd. If you can't get it done before they tee off for their next round, then it should be too late. The NBA has often admitted officials should of done this or that, but the result stands. The game is over. Maybe the series isn't over, but the game is. That's the way I feel about this,too. If they can't get it done before she tees off for her next round, then it should be too late. Outrageous the way golfers see nothing wrong with a player grinding out a round, and then being told that round won't count. To me, not telling her before she started a new round, should mean they have to overlook what she did. The LPGA needs to take responsibility for not getting this stuff done before another round starts. Doesn't matter why they didn't get it done. They didn't get it done, and they allowed a player to play a round wihout it counting. How about somebody being responsible for that mistake instead of blaming volunteers or whoever. Get it done before the round starts, or eat your mistake.

[golfer]

Originally Posted by GPK

Nope...it's the same for everyone. As long as everyone is playing under the same rule, there is nothing unfair about it. And this isn't just PGA Tournament golf...the same thing goes in amatuer competition as well. Michelle has been playing in tournament long enough to know the rule.

I don't think it is unfair, just silly. The game has changed a bit since these rules were created in the late 1800's. Frankly, it's not even necessary for the player's to keep their own score anymore, with shotlink, volunteers and rules officials following every group, etc..
I'm not making excuses for what she did, but this agregious violation of the rules did not occur on the course, and as Doc wrote, wasn't even dealt with until the next day, after she had already completed a round that didn't count.
They did away with the stymie, they need to go back into their biblical book of rules and update them. Just my opinion.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I agree. It's the same for everybody, but it's not an excuse for it being a stupid rule that should be left behind. Just because everybody can possibly get terminal cancer, doesn't make it a cool thing. Still awful, and so is somebody geting disqualified for something done off the course. I find it to be a careless mistake she made, and everybody makes them. She makes more stupid mistakes than most. Her and Andruw B. Whiffin'-Jones are fck ups. It's amazing how we tolerate bad calls in other sports, but disqualify a golfer for not signing their card until reminded to do so. Letting somebody start a new round, and then telling them they can't remain in the tournament(for something done after the previous round) is absurd. If you can't get it done before they tee off for their next round, then it should be too late. The NBA has often admitted officials should of done this or that, but the result stands. The game is over. Maybe the series isn't over, but the game is. That's the way I feel about this,too. If they can't get it done before she tees off for her next round, then it should be too late. Outrageous the way golfers see nothing wrong with a player grinding out a round, and then being told that round won't count. To me, not telling her before she started a new round, should mean they have to overlook what she did. The LPGA needs to take responsibility for not getting this stuff done before another round starts. Doesn't matter why they didn't get it done. They didn't get it done, and they allowed a player to play a round wihout it counting. How about somebody being responsible for that mistake instead of blaming volunteers or whoever. Get it done before the round starts, or eat your mistake.

The rules of Golf are sacred.

I think the old fellas relish knowing every rule.

A Vatican type thing, big book locked up in a vault
for only the most pious monks to interpret for the masses.

[Mortimer]

I don't know anything about gelf,but you people are pissing me off...again.


Does the punishment fit the crime?


Fucl< no.

[herkhorse]

Playing against the men again this week. Please. Shouldn't she have to win something on the LPGA tour first. She has been so messed up, I doubt she'll ever win on any tour.

She needs to do porn.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

Playing against the men again this week. Please. Shouldn't she have to win something on the LPGA tour first. She has been so messed up, I doubt she'll ever win on any tour.

So f*cking crazy. She is no longer a draw...I understand the sponsors are entitled to handing out 1 or 2 exemptions...but at least give them to some guy who actually needs to play, needs the opportunity and hasn't signed a $20 million dollar contract with Nike. I hope she shoots 90.

Such bullsh*t.

[TheSpyder]

I hear what you're saying but if she did produce it would be a great story. Kinda like Sean O'hare who escaped the grip of his father and played great since. She's got talent. I'd say give her anothr year and if it's the same old story, she's toast. But she may get it together.....if she remembers to sign her score card..

Spyder

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

She needs to do porn.

She can then play with the men all she wants....and a tussle with the women is also acceptable

[GPK]

Originally Posted by TheSpyder

I hear what you're saying but if she did produce it would be a great story. Kinda like Sean O'hare who escaped the grip of his father and played great since. She's got talent. I'd say give her anothr year and if it's the same old story, she's toast. But she may get it together.....if she remembers to sign her score card..

Spyder

Thats a big damn if Spyder. I just think there are way too many guys out there, busting their ass trying to make a living at this game, that are more deserving of an exemption than she is.

Originally Posted by GPK

Thats a big damn if Spyder. I just think there are way too many guys out there, busting their ass trying to make a living at this game, that are more deserving of an exemption than she is.

Yes there are.
But they dont have long silky legs
and breasts. She gets isolated amongst all
the men. She is the object to look at.

If the girls in the WNBA were all lookers
you would have a league that could maintain itself.

Sex sells.

Sad isnt it? Or is it?
Giving the male horndogs what they want.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Yes there are.
But they dont have long silky legs
and breasts. She gets isolated amongst all
the men. She is the object to look at.

If the girls in the WNBA were all lookers
you would have a league that could maintain itself.
Sex sells.

Sad isnt it? Or is it?
Giving the male horndogs what they want.

If the girls in the WNBA knew how to fight, it might even make for interesting TV....but they can't even do that very well. That fight last night was a joke.

Originally Posted by GPK

If the girls in the WNBA knew how to fight, it might even make for interesting TV....but they can't even do that very well. That fight last night was a joke.

No that would make it better if they were lookers.
They would kinda slap and then tear each others
uniforms and start rubbing breasts together.

I did not see the fight.
I will be watching Cotto v. Marg on Sat.
This will possibly be the best fight all year.
But I digress.
Often.

Kev I saw the fight.
It was wrestling.
Laimbeer's team involved about says it all.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by golfer

I don't think it is unfair, just silly. The game has changed a bit since these rules were created in the late 1800's. Frankly, it's not even necessary for the player's to keep their own score anymore, with shotlink, volunteers and rules officials following every group, etc..
I'm not making excuses for what she did, but this agregious violation of the rules did not occur on the course, and as Doc wrote, wasn't even dealt with until the next day, after she had already completed a round that didn't count.
They did away with the stymie, they need to go back into their biblical book of rules and update them. Just my opinion.

When do you make the cutoff then for time allowed to sign their scorecard? Do you call the player at their hotel that night and say "Hey, Michelle, forgot to sign your scorecard today, make sure you sign it in the morning before you tee off"???The scoring tent is there for a reason....TO SIGN YOUR SCORECARD. It's NO ONES responsibility to make sure their card is signed other than the players themselves....not the volunteers, not the officials. Every tournament I have ever played in and every round I ever caddied in on the LPGA, the people working the scoring tent always remind the players to have 2 signatures on the card. Not once have I ever been in a scoring tent as a player or caddy where someone didn't mention it. It's Michelles fault, plain and simple. I assure you, this happens more frequently than people realize, on every tour. We just happen to hear about it because it was Ms. Wie and she was near the lead.

[golfer]

Originally Posted by GPK

When do you make the cutoff then for time allowed to sign their scorecard? Do you call the player at their hotel that night and say "Hey, Michelle, forgot to sign your scorecard today, make sure you sign it in the morning before you tee off"???The scoring tent is there for a reason....TO SIGN YOUR SCORECARD. It's NO ONES responsibility to make sure their card is signed other than the players themselves....not the volunteers, not the officials. Every tournament I have ever played in and every round I ever caddied in on the LPGA, the people working the scoring tent always remind the players to have 2 signatures on the card. Not once have I ever been in a scoring tent as a player or caddy where someone didn't mention it. It's Michelles fault, plain and simple. I assure you, this happens more frequently than people realize, on every tour. We just happen to hear about it because it was Ms. Wie and she was near the lead.

This next sentence applies only to professional PGA/LPGA tournaments, but why even make it mandatory to sign the card? If it's correct, it's correct, if it's wrong, it's wrong, a player's signature shouldn't change either of these facts. And what exactly are the officials in the scoring tent doing? How many are in there, and what are their responsibilities?

Now, to the specific example of Michelle Wie; I did not intend to make excuses for her, I honestly couldn't care one way or the other. The only thing dumber than the rule itself, is Michelle Wie's breaking it. But Morty wrote it best, does the punishment fit the crime? Hell, a player could and probably should sign the thing before the round, to ensure they don't forget, no?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by golfer

This next sentence applies only to professional PGA/LPGA tournaments, but why even make it mandatory to sign the card? If it's correct, it's correct, if it's wrong, it's wrong, a player's signature shouldn't change either of these facts. And what exactly are the officials in the scoring tent doing? How many are in there, and what are their responsibilities?

Now, to the specific example of Michelle Wie; I did not intend to make excuses for her, I honestly couldn't care one way or the other. The only thing dumber than the rule itself, is Michelle Wie's breaking it. But Morty wrote it best, does the punishment fit the crime? Hell, a player could and probably should sign the thing before the round, to ensure they don't forget, no?

Seth...please don't think I was jumping on you in my previous post....I just happen to quote yours.

Very rarely are officials in the scoring tent. The people in the tent are volunteers. They are mainly responsible for correctly adding up the players score. The players are responsible for 2 things and 2 things only after their round. 1. Making sure their hole by hole score is correct (which they do by calling hole by hole scores aloud with the walking scorekeeper from the group and the player that kept their scorecard for that day) and 2. Making sure they sign their scorecard.

I don't think those two things are asking too much. By signing their card, they player is verifying the hole by hole score is correct.

[GPK]

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is when the Volunteers reported to a rules official the incident. It may not have been mentioned until the next day. Even then, Ms. Wie is the only one at fault here.

[Mortimer]

no wok good