Any Given Saturday gets my offical Derby endorsement - Page 5

The Indomitable DrugS · #81 04-16-2007, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

His adoring fan showed up, you can't let a BTW post go up without trying to interject some stupid comment to try and gain favor with him.

Are you related to PG1985?

ArlJim78 · #82 04-16-2007, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

His adoring fan showed up, you can't let a BTW post go up without trying to interject some stupid comment to try and gain favor with him.

He doesn't have to take his track with him. If a horse can show versatility and the ability to ship, that's a positive. All I hear is he's slow and no one has given me any evidence of how he's so slow he's only 5 points off of the top BSF. If someone can explain that logic to me, I would love to hear it. Besides, I'll wait and look at the Sheets if he looks slow there, then I will discount him, because I believe those are superior numbers to the BSF's.

versatility and the ability to ship, and the only horse you can come up with is Cowtown? Don't you think there are just a few other horses fitting that description?

good luck, bet early and often.

The Indomitable DrugS · #83 04-16-2007, 08:08 PM

Heck, Hard Spun's won over four different tracks, two different surfaces, and actually has talent.

Cajungator26 · #84 04-16-2007, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

versatility and the ability to ship, and the only horse you can come up with is Cowtown? Don't you think there are just a few other horses fitting that description?

good luck, bet early and often.

JDank34 · #85 04-16-2007, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Are you related to PG1985?

Maybe he is his first foal to make it to the forum

Pointg5 · #86 04-16-2007, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Well I want BTW to love me so here goes. Don't you think this post sort of contradicts itself. First you mention the Beyer's, to help your arguement. Then you say you will wait for the sheets because they are superior. Can't really have it both ways.

I haven't seen any of the Sheet #'s for any of the contenders this year, so the Beyers are only thing I have to go by right now and I stated this at the beginning of this thread.

I could see where you are saying I am contradicting myself and that's a fair point, but I was mainly using it to show how there's not much disparity between the these horses, when many are claiming him to be slow.

As Golfer pointed out his best was a 4 before the Ill Derby, I don't have much confidence in him getting to at least a 1 in the Ill Derby, which is what he'd have to get, before I would consider using him.

Sightseek · #87 04-16-2007, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

He is incredibly handsome.

philcski · #88 04-16-2007, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

What you don't see in this photo is the guy standing next the photographer about to blow a gasket because Pletcher won another race (and busted his pick 6 ticket.)

Cajungator26 · #89 04-16-2007, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

He is incredibly handsome.

I adore him.

I hope I get to meet him in the barn someday. I was just trying to lighten the mood around here... everyone seems to be on pins and needles tonight.

Sightseek · #90 04-16-2007, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I adore him.

I hope I get to meet him in the barn someday. I was just trying to lighten the mood around here... everyone seems to be on pins and needles tonight.

I love this photo of him:

http://flickr.com/photos/rockandracehorses/215445233/

philcski · #91 04-16-2007, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I adore him.

I hope I get to meet him in the barn someday. I was just trying to lighten the mood around here... everyone seems to be on pins and needles tonight.

See above, I'm with you on this one

He's pretty quiet in the barn. Doesn't seek out much attention.

ArlJim78 · #92 04-16-2007, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

I haven't seen any of the Sheet #'s for any of the contenders this year, so the Beyers are only thing I have to go by right now and I stated this at the beginning of this thread.

I could see where you are saying I am contradicting myself and that's a fair point, but I was mainly using it to show how there's not much disparity between the these horses, when many are claiming him to be slow.

As Golfer pointed out his best was a 4 before the Ill Derby, I don't have much confidence in him getting to at least a 1 in the Ill Derby, which is what he'd have to get, before I would consider using him.

TG gave him a 2 for the Illinois derby.

Which puts him on par with High Heels.

Cajungator26 · #93 04-16-2007, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

I love this photo of him:

http://flickr.com/photos/rockandracehorses/215445233/

That's a gorgeous one... I hadn't even seen that one yet. Thanks for posting it.

philcski · #94 04-16-2007, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

TG gave him a 2 for the Illinois derby.

Since I'm not a TG/Rags guy, what's the typical par to win the Derby? 0? -1?

ArlJim78 · #95 04-16-2007, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Since I'm not a TG/Rags guy, what's the typical par to win the Derby? 0? -1?

I'm pretty new to the TG/rags world myself. I can't provide much in the way of historical context. Scav's, or Randall can chime in if they are around.

my guess is that the winner averages around zero, maybe slightly negative.

For context Street Sense ran the best juvenile ever and got a neg 2.

Cajungator26 · #96 04-16-2007, 08:40 PM

If you go to the Sheets site, they give you what the past derby winners have run:

http://www.thesheets.com/

smuthg · #97 05-03-2007, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Only because I'm a self-important wreck of a person do I feel obligated to trumpet my Ky Derby pick out once I've concluded who it will be.

This is the first time in a while that I've watched all the preps before concluding whom I want to bet on. That's because I really despise this crop from a talent standpoint. Here's a look back at all my other internet board Derby endorsements from this decade...

2000: Fusaichi Pegasus (1st)
2001: Invisible Ink (2nd)
2002: Perfect Drift (3rd)
2003: Empire Maker (2nd)
2004: Rock Hard Ten (Didn't run)
2005: Giacomo (1st)
2006: Discreet Cat (Didn't run)

Any Given Saturday is this years lucky winner of my endorsement. Perhaps they will use that on his stallion catalog when he is retired. As for why.....

I understand this is not a horse of great talent...and one thing that isn't being talked about, is the incredible lack of heart this horse has. THREE TIMES he's had a top horse in his crop almost put away in a Graded Stake race, and in all three occasions, he let him off the hook.

* In the KY Jockey Club at age 2, he passed Tiz Wonderful, and had as much as a half length lead on him, with outside position, in the stretch. He lost.

* In the Tampa Derby, Street Sense skated up the rail on him, but this horse had more run left, and had NO BUSINESS not putting away that horse.

* In the Wood Memorial, off-the-far turn, he had Nobiz Like Shobiz, and stuck a head in front briefly...however, he just came off the steel and put up no fight through the stretch.

In a 20 horse field, at a 10 furlong distance, in a race which almost always features a fast early pace---being a faint-hearted grinding type of horse is a FAR greater advantage than it is under more tradition racing circumstances.

That's why I had no problems taking horses like Invisible Ink, Perfect Drift, Empire Maker, and Giacomo. While Barbaro won easily last year, a horse of NO ABILITY whatsoever named Steppenwolfer, was able to run 3rd in a race where he didn't get near as much setup as he would have in other Derby's.

Horses like Fusaichi Pegasus, Rock Hard Ten, and Discreet Cat just appeared to be irresistable talents to me...horses who I felt were cut out to be seriously great horses---which is why I took them inspite of the fact they don't exactly fit the profile of horse I'm biased too.

Any Given Saturday is the absolute right horse to bet in the Derby. I expect him to sit a mid-pack trip and be right there at the wire. If he doesn't win, I'm confident I know who the five or six right horses are to use with him in the exacta.

DrugS, thoughts on AGS after the post position draw?

Java Gold · #98 05-03-2007, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by golfer

Point, his TG top before Hawthorne was a 4.

Gee.... And I thought Blackthroatjob(AKA...Little Andy) only had a problem with me?

Java OUT

blackthroatedwind · #99 05-03-2007, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Java Gold

Gee.... And I thought Blackthroatjob(AKA...Little Andy) only had a problem with me?

Java OUT

Tony Clifton aka Java Gold, a guy so pathetic that he was even embarrassed to post behind one disgraced screen name, that he had to create another one in order to criticize others while offering absolutely nothing of value.

#**100** 05-03-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am far from convinced that Curlin is the " best horse ".

You are right. I was criticized last week for saying that. I was pointing out that he is no Slew or Smarty Jones. This horse is the talk of the public, the non-betting public. Does he remind you of Bellamy Road?