Greg Schiano's NFL career's death watch thread

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Once again, showing the haters up. This game wasn't even as close as the final score shows.

Freeman was the problem from the start

[MISTERGEE]

i have a feeling that sometime soon the name of this thread will be change to "schianno coach of the year 2014 watch"

[Rudeboyelvis]

I'll give credit where credit is due - but first you have to decide whether this victory was a result of Stafford having a horrific day, or you're convinced that a total of 10 first downs and 20 yards of rushing is enough to compete and win in the NFL on a weekly basis.

They are the most penalized team in the NFL and still have no idea how to fix it.
Glennon is the real deal so far, they expand the playbook each week and he's responded - two excellent down field throws for large gains, and the bench is deep on both sides of the ball. The team is built to win now, and as I've said before, has playoff caliber talent.

Maybe he just needs the entire season to figure it out - who knows?

[Danzig]

and gary kubiak receives the ignominious prize as first nfl coach to be fired this season. even suffering a mini stroke didn't grant him a reprieve.
a qb can kill a coaches career.

[Patrick333]

A couple more wins and Schiano might survive.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Patrick333

A couple more wins and Schiano might survive.

certainly has made a turnaround since freeman left. very telling. he may well outlast jason garrett.

[Rudeboyelvis]

One thing that he absolutely must be commended for is that through all of this adversity, the team has not quit on him. Not of a second.

Unfortunately in every measurement - given the level of talent, the team is woefully under performing - they still lead the league in penalties, and they still struggle to make 2nd half adjustments to close a game out. Buffalo is a bad team. Atlanta is a bad team. Matt Stafford had one of the worse days of his career that attributed to the Detroit win (20 total offensive rushing yds and 10 first downs gets you killed 99.99% of the time - welcome to any given Sunday).

This week is his test. He has the 49er's at home. A team that is now fighting for a wildcard. On paper, the two match up well - obviously Glennon is no Kapernick, but Tampa's secondary is better and the D line is beginning to develop something resembling a pass rush.

Should be an exciting game to watch - if they play like they belong on the field with them, not necessarily win, but at least look like they can compete - he may well have done enough to redeem himself.

If we get the same menu of bone-headed broken coverages, bad personal fouls at inopportune times, procedure penalties, too many men/not enough men on the field, et al, It should be the tipping point I'd imagine.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

One thing that he absolutely must be commended for is that through all of this adversity, the team has not quit on him. Not of a second.

Unfortunately in every measurement - given the level of talent, the team is woefully under performing - they still lead the league in penalties, and they still struggle to make 2nd half adjustments to close a game out. Buffalo is a bad team. Atlanta is a bad team. Matt Stafford had one of the worse days of his career that attributed to the Detroit win (20 total offensive rushing yds and 10 first downs gets you killed 99.99% of the time - welcome to any given Sunday).

This week is his test. He has the 49er's at home. A team that is now fighting for a wildcard. On paper, the two match up well - obviously Glennon is no Kapernick, but Tampa's secondary is better and the D line is beginning to develop something resembling a pass rush.

Should be an exciting game to watch - if they play like they belong on the field with them, not necessarily win, but at least look like they can compete - he may well have done enough to redeem himself.

If we get the same menu of bone-headed broken coverages, bad personal fouls at inopportune times, procedure penalties, too many men/not enough men on the field, et al, It should be the tipping point I'd imagine.

What are your thoughts on the O-Line? To me, they have really underperformed this year. Joseph looks like he hasn't fully recovered from his injuries and Penn along with the others are just getting beat up front game after game. That along with the non talent at WR other than Jackson is what really has impressed me about Mike Glennon so far. He has been playing well in his first year despite the fact he has had no offensive weapons...(what are they on their 4th string RB) and a porous offensive line.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

What are your thoughts on the O-Line? To me, they have really underperformed this year. Joseph looks like he hasn't fully recovered from his injuries and Penn along with the others are just getting beat up front game after game. That along with the non talent at WR other than Jackson is what really has impressed me about Mike Glennon so far. He has been playing well in his first year despite the fact he has had no offensive weapons...(what are they on their 4th string RB) and a porous offensive line.

They are getting old and are beat up. Missing Carl Nicks for the season due to the MERSA thing hurt them deeply. The rest of the starters are playing through pain (like everyone else in the league I assume) but are suffering additionally from having to defend from a scaled back, vanilla playbook due to the rookie QB which doesn't help their cause as the reads are easy to pick up, coupled with the learning curve of Glennon picking up blitz packages effectively.

Losing Mike Williams early basically put V. Jackson in double coverage all year. On a positive note, the decision by Mark Domenick to not address the TE position in the offseason should have been a nightmare, but the rookie out of Rutgers, Tim Wright has effectively bailed his asz out of a tight spot.

The back up RB's (we're on our 3rd stringer) are playing admirably well considering. In fact they may have a bargaining chip to adress the line in the off season, or spread the wealth around next year to keep Martin in one piece for a whole season.


They are only a few pieces away from being a top caliber team - not convinced that we can say that about the coaching staff yet.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

The back up RB's (we're on our 3rd stringer) are playing admirably well considering. In fact they may have a bargaining chip to adress the line in the off season, or spread the wealth around next year to keep Martin in one piece for a whole season.

Martin, James, Leonard and then Rainey...who they were lucky to sign off waivers from the Browns prior to the Miami game. Leonard got most of the carries when James went down against the Dolphins and started the next week against Atlanta but was pretty much ineffective. Once Rainey took over, that was pretty much it...I think he ran for over 160 yds that game and has gotten the bulk of the carries since.

With the way their record stands now, they're not going to be in a position to draft a QB in the first round. Hopefully they take Jake Matthews out of A&M with their first pick.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Martin, James, Leonard and then Rainey...who they were lucky to sign off waivers from the Browns prior to the Miami game. Leonard got most of the carries when James went down against the Dolphins and started the next week against Atlanta but was pretty much ineffective. Once Rainey took over, that was pretty much it...I think he ran for over 160 yds that game and has gotten the bulk of the carries since.

With the way their record stands now, they're not going to be in a position to draft a QB in the first round. Hopefully they take Jake Matthews out of A&M with their first pick.

They're still using Leonard as a starting FB and as an occasional 3rd down RB. Too early to tell what they are going to address though the team is built to win now so I wouldn't rule out a trade for QB with the pick and using what's left after the Revis deal to address the O-line issues

[Duvalier]

Tampa's O-Line is absolutely horrible

[Danzig]

rex ryan supposedly told his team last night that he's getting fired.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

rex ryan supposedly told his team last night that he's getting fired.

There just isn't enough offensive talent on that team. He will land on his feet.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

There just isn't enough offensive talent on that team. He will land on his feet.

yeah, he needs to stay a DC. i also think schwartz is going to be let go.

[MaTH716]

For what its worth, Peter King on FNIA last night said, that he thought Greg Schiano did enough to retain his job in Tampa.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

For what its worth, Peter King on FNIA last night said, that he thought Greg Schiano did enough to retain his job in Tampa.

i could see him getting another year, since they did manage to win a few after freemans departure.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i could see him getting another year, since they did manage to win a few after freemans departure.

It will come down to who's available and if that candidate is a fit. They won't can him without a better alternative. But to say he's done enough to earn a 2nd chance is ludicrous. If he's back next year, it will simply be because there were no viable alternatives available, not because he earned it by any stretch of the imagination IMO.

If Rex Ryan becomes available, he'll be here I'm sure.

[randallscott35]

You can have Rex. He ****ing sucks.

Greg has done enough.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Multiple sources reporting that he's has contacted Penn State and is considered a top candidate to replace bill O'brien should he leave for the NFL