Obama's job approval

Originally Posted by GBBob

I'm still searching for all the right wing posts from pre..umm..8 months ago. I know they are there somewhere because Repubilicans care about THEIR country so much more than anyone else so I'm sure they were busy posting before a Democrat became President but I keep looking for the Republican posts before a Dem became President but all I can find is...


nothing

So lets all be disingenuous from now on (in other words fair and balanced) and make negative posts in the future about a politician we actually tolerate because they fall in our respected party just to save face on a god damn message board.

See you two are bringing this bulls.hit up because your boy (and no not in the old school sense of the word) is a f.ucking disaster only 9 months into his Presidency.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

So lets all be disingenuous from now on (in other words fair and balanced) and make negative posts in the future about a politician we actually tolerate because they fall in our respected party just to save face on a god damn message board.

See you two are bringing this bulls.hit up because your boy (and no not in the old school sense of the word) is a f.ucking disaster only 9 months into his Presidency.

No man...just care as much when your "boy" was f.u.c.k.i.n up as much as when you think our "boy" is.

And if Obama and his cabinet hadn't done what they did, the RIGHT would have a whole lot more to whine about than they already do, which is hard to believe because there ain't any bigger crybabies now than the Republicans.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

So lets all be disingenuous from now on (in other words fair and balanced) and make negative posts in the future about a politician we actually tolerate because they fall in our respected party just to save face on a god damn message board.

See you two are bringing this bulls.hit up because your boy (and no not in the old school sense of the word) is a f.ucking disaster only 9 months into his Presidency.

No, it's just that all of this smacks of intellectual dishonesty. The problem with Chuck is that it's all "We care about spending money, we're fiscally conservative....unless it's our guy. We care about transparency....unless it's our guy."

We'll see if "our" boy turns out to be a disaster. The guy before has already been spoken for as an overwhelming disaster, at least Obama still has time to salvage the ship.

Me, like I've said all along, I'll continue to wait and see how things turn out and take responsibility for my vote then, and it should be easy, considering the wildly unmitigated obvious disaster you all claim we're heading into. Time will tell.

At least I'm consistent. I make no qualms about how liberal I'd like him to be and what I'd like to see happen. I don't pretend I give a $hit about money and about morals etc, when your guy is President but then stop when my guy's President. It's not my consistency that's up for debate here.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by pointman

You really are a true democrat, don't let facts get in your way. First, why can't we consider the cost of what Obama is proposing? Here are some facts, 90% of Americans have health insurance. Of the 10% that do not have health insurance, 5% of those can afford to have health insurance and choose not to. That leaves 5% of Americans uninsured and our great President wants to spend over a trillion dollars with his proposal to insure those people. By the way, a large part of that 5% that are uninsured are young healthy individuals who are not in the workforce long enough to get healthcare. The point is that his proposals are unrealistic, too expensive and will be costly, and the costs will be passed onto the taxpayers.

What happened to Obama's transparency? He stated that he would release his proposals on his website for all to see, yet now he tries to shove it through Congress for no one to see, then tries to place much of the cost under other bills to claim that it costs less than it really does, and vastly underestimates the actual costs of his bill. He obviously thinks that people are stupid, but Americans are waking up in droves and a majority are now against his proposals.

The notion that people with life threatening conditions don't get healthcare is a fallacy. Emergency rooms cannot turn down treatment to people with life threatening conditions. Most public areas have a State or county run hospital which provides free services to those who are uninsured.

I don't think anyone here is saying that the healthcare system doesn't need reform, but many of us are against socializing medicine and don't believe the costs justify do so. Socializing healthcare will cost Americans one way or another in either increased premiums or increased taxes, and those taxes will fall on the middle class that Obama promised not to tax. Many of us do not believe that taxing and spending in this economy is a good move, but that is what the democrats want to do. Herbert Hoover tried this solution and look where it got this country.


As has already been pointed out, the States or local municipal governments, through our taxes, which we are already paying and are fine with, provide education, police, firefighters and even free medical care!

Oh yeah, those greedy insurance companies. Just another democratic lie. The actual facts are that they average approximately 2%, well below other industries. And those profits did not balloon during the Bush years as Obama/Pelosi would have you believe. Here is a link to the true facts:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

I guess we should socialize that greedy railroad industry, after all they are making a 12.6% profit a year! How about network and communications, those greedy bastards are making a 20.4% profit!

Obama is a disaster as is Pelosi. Only the truly stupid still defend Obama at this point.

i was intrigued by the juxtaposition of "don't let facts get in your way" and spectacularly round numbers. so i did 30 seconds of websearch.

69% of americans have some form of private insurance. 60% provided by their employer and 9% individual.

84% of american have any form of insurance including government provided.

27% of americans have government provided insurance.

the figures add up to over 100% because of overlap. many medicare recipients also have a supplemental private policy.

but absent government provided insurance, 31% of americans would not have any.

and 16% have none regardless of current government provided insurance.

don't let facts get in your way.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

don't let facts get in your way.

BUSH DERANGEMENT SYNDROME!!11!!!Z!!

[pointman]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I'm still searching for all the right wing posts from pre..umm..8 months ago. I know they are there somewhere because Repubilicans care about THEIR country so much more than anyone else so I'm sure they were busy posting before a Democrat became President but I keep looking for the Republican posts before a Dem became President but all I can find is...


nothing

Let's be fair here, Democrats had no problem voicing their dissent during the entire 8 years Bush was President, those of us who are not satisfied with the current President's decisions certainly have a right to express it.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by pointman

Let's be fair here, Democrats had no problem voicing their dissent during the entire 8 years Bush was President, those of us who are not satisfied with the current President's decisions certainly have a right to express it.

No, let's actually be fair -- this is a total straw man that intentionally misrepresents the position Bob is taking here.

Originally Posted by GBBob

No man...just care as much when your "boy" was f.u.c.k.i.n up as much as when you think our "boy" is.

And if Obama and his cabinet hadn't done what they did, the RIGHT would have a whole lot more to whine about than they already do, which is hard to believe because there ain't any bigger crybabies now than the Republicans.

I never voted for George Bush so you can't lump me in either party because I don't fall for the bulls.hit like the majority of this country. I blame all of you for being brainwashed into believing we're stuck permanently in a two-party system.

The democrats and republicans are equally responsible for this mess.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I never voted for George Bush so you can't lump me in either party because I don't fall for the bulls.hit like the majority of this country. I blame all of you for being brainwashed into believing we're stuck permanently in a two-party system.

The democrats and republicans are equally responsible for this mess.

At least you're consistent. And you always have been on politics. So if I don't agree, I at least don't think you're being intentionally dishonest and hypocritical.

No snark at all -- I mean it.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by pointman

Let's be fair here, Democrats had no problem voicing their dissent during the entire 8 years Bush was President, those of us who are not satisfied with the current President's decisions certainly have a right to express it.

that wasn't his point.

i publicly voiced my dissent with the current admin's decision to freeze out fox news a few days ago.

like bob, i've been wondering where all the this manufactured "dissent" from the right was earlier.

you can't really expect that no one noticed, can you?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I never voted for George Bush so you can't lump me in either party because I don't fall for the bulls.hit like the majority of this country. I blame all of you for being brainwashed into believing we're stuck permanently in a two-party system.

The democrats and republicans are equally responsible for this mess.

When I said "your", I was going to * it, but I got lazy..but.."You're" right.

But "Your" over, which is now "my" over..needs help

Originally Posted by GBBob

When I said "your", I was going to * it, but I got lazy..but.."You're" right.

But "Your" over, which is now "my" over..needs help

No doubt about it.

I'm blaming it on Collinsworth for mushing it to hell.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i was intrigued by the juxtaposition of "don't let facts get in your way" and spectacularly round numbers. so i did 30 seconds of websearch.

69% of americans have some form of private insurance. 60% provided by their employer and 9% individual.

84% of american have any form of insurance including government provided.

27% of americans have government provided insurance.

the figures add up to over 100% because of overlap. many medicare recipients also have a supplemental private policy.

but absent government provided insurance, 31% of americans would not have any.

and 16% have none regardless of current government provided insurance.

don't let facts get in your way.

I certainly won't. Nice try

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...cJA9hKmHRPxJ8H

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

At least you're consistent. And you always have been on politics. So if I don't agree, I at least don't think you're being intentionally dishonest and hypocritical.

No snark at all -- I mean it.

Really there is no hope for change in this country. (See what I did there?)

Judging from the poll results to this thread the majority of us are conditioned to the two-party system. That system has prohibited you from having the choice to marry. How you could be a supporter of it is beyond me. You, out of all people, should abhor it as much as I do.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by pointman

I certainly won't. Nice try

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...cJA9hKmHRPxJ8H

umm..Census..as in..US Census?..The one before 9-11...almost 10 years ago?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by GBBob

umm..Census..as in..US Census?..The one before 9-11...almost 10 years ago?

and how do you get these quotes from the Post in between all the sh+t stains on it from wiping asses?

[hi_im_god]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_insurance

The United States mixed economy health care system relies heavily on private (for profit) and not-for-profit health insurance, which is the primary source of coverage for most Americans. According to the United States Census Bureau, approximately 84% of Americans have health insurance; some 60% obtain it through an employer, while about 9% purchase it directly.[33] Various government agencies provide coverage to about 27% of Americans (there is some overlap in these figures).[34]

my 30 seconds of research.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by pointman

I certainly won't. Nice try

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...cJA9hKmHRPxJ8H

Well this Jeffrey H. Anderson guy sure seems like a decent, honest, fair-minded son of a gun.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=jeffrey+h.+anderson

Fail #2.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by GBBob

umm..Census..as in..US Census?..The one before 9-11...almost 10 years ago?

You are kidding, right? These are the same figures that the proponants of government healthcare are using. Obviously, they are recent figures.

[hi_im_god]

i'm not sure who to believe.

the last random idiot on wikipedia (though what was written is vetted by the entire wiki) or the guy at the fox newspaper who ignored the 27% government insured component in his "90% insured" argument against government insurance.