Leading Trainer / Jockey 2 weeks to go

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

In order to know he had a good night of rest ... you'd have either had to have been in the room while he slept or you would have had to ask someone that was sleeping with him how well he slept.

Probably a little carried way with in depth reporting I'd say.

I believe Dominguez is 2 wins behind ... but he will pull this thing out. He has 29 second place finishes to Garcia's 12 seconds ... and a lot of those 17 extra who kept there conditions will show up at a short price. Dominguez also has him well beaten with 3rd and 4ths.

Garcia is also riding way over his head. Winning at 22% with a $2.77 ROI through the first four weeks ... numbers that are extremely difficult to sustain. I realize the guy with the hottest hand will be the "live" rider .. but the few extra live mounts he gets for being hot won't be enough to put him over the top imo.

He should get Dr. Murray to help him sleep.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Can we see the Imperial Council demo again?

Originally Posted by Jay

gotham Allowance GP

sexy

[chucklestheclown]

That is very flamingo-like

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

sexy

I know this is way off topic, but I just told a friend the other day I wish Imperial Council went in the Kings Bishop. His Gulfstream allowance comeback was ok, and I think he would be good at 7f. I know hes a bit slow, but there is talent there.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It's really all about horses not running as often as they once did. Basically you're blaming horsemen for not running their horses.

As for Saratoga, they carded a total of 339 races in 2001 .. they carded 359 races last year.

That's 20 more races total.

36 turf sprints were carded last year.

State bred races have become more and more ... because the number of NY bred horses have increased over the last decade ... and connections of NY breds are less likely to wait five or six weeks between starts.

The kind of open allowance races we all like to see carded are now going with 5 horses and featuring lone speed mediocrites like Pitched Perfectly stealing them from horses like Ea (who scratched 3 times earlier in the meet)

As for the 2yo maiden races on the dirt ... the onslought of wet weather all summer long has likely set training of some of them back.

In relation to what's going on at other tracks - especially Southern Cal ones - the quality of racing is going good at Saratoga.

Whatever the reasoning, the quality of racing at Saratoga has decreased rapidly. What you also forgot was that 4 or 5 trainers have virtually all the good young horses and slots states make the purse difference between the Spa and other places far less.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

That is very flamingo-like

your post made me wonder if there's ever been a racehorse named "the Flamingo Kid".
I know there is an "Idol Maker"

and yes.... Flamingo Kid
ro. H, 1986 43 Starts, 9 Wins, 3 Places, 4 Shows Career Earnings: $149,990

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What you also forgot was that 4 or 5 trainers have virtually all the good young horses.

Which 4 or 5?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Which 4 or 5?

Pletcher
McLaughlin
Mott
Dutrow
Assmussen

Did I miss anyone?

Maybe Zito?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Rick Violette has a small army of very fast 2yo sales cheapies.

He's 20-for-87 with a giant flat bet profit in Spa 2yo races since 2001. And he had 3 or 4 open debut winners at Belmont in 2yo MSW's just prior to this meet. The Forbidden Apple he dominated the Grade 2 with was the outright fastest horse of all 4 sessions at OBS April.

Stan Hough has a small army of nice 2yo's related to Discreet Cat. Two of them romped last week.

Lukas, Maker, Romans, Weaver, Stewart, Jimmy Jerkens, and Tagg have some that cost money .. and even the great Eddie Kennelly.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Rick Violette has a small army of very fast 2yo sales cheapies.

He's 20-for-87 with a giant flat bet profit in Spa 2yo races since 2001. And he had 3 or 4 open debut winners at Belmont in 2yo MSW's just prior to this meet. The Forbidden Apple he dominated the Grade 2 with was the outright fastest horse of all 4 sessions at OBS April.

Stan Hough has a small army of nice 2yo's related to Discreet Cat. Two of them romped last week.

Lukas, Maker, Romans, Weaver, Stewart, Jimmy Jerkens, and Tagg have some that cost money .. and even the great Eddie Kennelly.

I think Stately Victor for Maker, the Adena sale topper, is gonna be a very serious 2yo when the races start going 2 turns.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Rick Violette has a small army of very fast 2yo sales cheapies.

He's 20-for-87 with a giant flat bet profit in Spa 2yo races since 2001. And he had 3 or 4 open debut winners at Belmont in 2yo MSW's just prior to this meet. The Forbidden Apple he dominated the Grade 2 with was the outright fastest horse of all 4 sessions at OBS April.

Stan Hough has a small army of nice 2yo's related to Discreet Cat. Two of them romped last week.

Lukas, Maker, Romans, Weaver, Stewart, Jimmy Jerkens, and Tagg have some that cost money .. and even the great Eddie Kennelly.

You are missing the point. Lukas, Maker, Romans and Stewart are not NY based nor do they have anywhere near the depth of talent or numbers of the others listed. Tagg and Jerkens have medium sized barns and are very conservative especially with young horses. Weaver doesnt have many quality young horses and either does Hough. The truth is that all the guys listed can go out of business and thier horses will be absorbed into the 5 guys listeds barns without missing a beat.

[johnny pinwheel]

with two weeks left anything can happen. i wouldn't hold my breath

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You are missing the point. Lukas, Maker, Romans and Stewart are not NY based nor do they have anywhere near the depth of talent or numbers of the others listed. Tagg and Jerkens have medium sized barns and are very conservative especially with young horses. Weaver doesnt have many quality young horses and either does Hough. The truth is that all the guys listed can go out of business and thier horses will be absorbed into the 5 guys listeds barns without missing a beat.

Yes .. but you said that 4 or 5 guys have all the good 2yos.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes .. but you said that 4 or 5 guys have all the good 2yos.

If he said get all the good 2yos would that make you feel better?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes .. but you said that 4 or 5 guys have all the good 2yos.

I said young horses, not just two year olds. And they do have the vast majority of the best two year olds, most of which we havent seen yet. Some who have been sent elsewhere because they cant get raced at Saratoga. That is the difference.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

If he said get all the good 2yos would that make you feel better?

It would be every bit as wrong. 9 or 10 guys get the bulk of the pricey yearlings and choicy homebreds.

Rick Violette probably has the best 2-year-olds overall so far this year and he doesn't get either.

He's got 1K Bull Market yearlings that go 20.40 and dirt cheap Forbidden Apple's that destroy Jess Jackson/Asmussen Mdo's who go 9.60.

He's got a Holy Bull that was a 47K yearling that should have easily won the Sanford who goes 20.60 among others.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It would be every bit as wrong. 9 or 10 guys get the bulk of the pricey yearlings and choicy homebreds.

Rick Violette probably has the best 2-year-olds overall so far this year and he doesn't get either.

He's got 1K Bull Market yearlings that go 20.40 and dirt cheap Forbidden Apple's that destroy Jess Jackson/Asmussen Mdo's who go 9.60.

He's got a Holy Bull that was a 47K yearling that should have easily won the Sanford who goes 20.60 among others.

Please with Rick Violette. Winning a couple of maiden races with a cheap horse isnt what we are talking about.

Again Pletcher, McLaughlin and Assmussen each all have more two year olds training in places other than Saratoga than Rick Violette has total horses.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It would be every bit as wrong. 9 or 10 guys get the bulk of the pricey yearlings and choicy homebreds.

Rick Violette probably has the best 2-year-olds overall so far this year and he doesn't get either.

He's got 1K Bull Market yearlings that go 20.40 and dirt cheap Forbidden Apple's that destroy Jess Jackson/Asmussen Mdo's who go 9.60.

He's got a Holy Bull that was a 47K yearling that should have easily won the Sanford who goes 20.60 among others.

He's got a Macho Uno that he beleives is tons better then the Holy Bull.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He's got a Holy Bull that was a 47K yearling that should have easily won the Sanford who goes 20.60 among others.

Please tell me that was a typo. I'm not so impressed by a 47k yearling.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Please with Rick Violette. Winning a couple of maiden races with a cheap horse isnt what we are talking about.

Again Pletcher, McLaughlin and Assmussen each all have more two year olds training in places other than Saratoga than Rick Violette has total horses.

Chuck he has won more then a couple. He is dominating. He just ran second in another one this past Saturday. A NY bred that the barn is high on. Mclaughlin has been a disaster so far at Saratoga w/ 2 yr olds.