wow, that was close!

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I bet against her but dont take to much away from her for losing the track was a friggin cranbury bog and certainly she had never even set foot on such a swamp

I don't.I just like seeing Ten Point get worked up.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I bet against her but dont take to much away from her for losing the track was a friggin cranbury bog and certainly she had never even set foot on such a swamp

agreed, I thought she actually ran well to be that close at the end. that turf course was a bog and she was on the worst part of it.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Everytime I look at them .. I think the last place finisher was a runaway winner at first glance.

She's run a wipe-out in EVERY one of her races EXCEPT 2: today's race and the Milady this May. (This doesn't include the dirt race.) I suppose that there might be a race or two where the chartmaker is wrong and some other horse is gaining trivially the last split but this is pretty amazing. I don't have back charts for comparsion but I suppose Personal Ensign was probably the only other horse to dictate the type of race that was going to be run EVERY time she got out there.

[booner]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

This comment is borderline ridiculous and flies in the face of what we saw last week from TVG when they were at Monmouth, they were gushing just as much and had the same 30 minutes of coverage for that race.

How can you say they did different today other than to fume the flames of this every growing contingent that seems to rail on a very nice champion race horse.

They did do a good job last week. I'm not knocking that. But this week's coverage was just too much. And it isn't just today's coverage, it's every weekend. I'm getting tired of it.

And not once did I "rail" on Zenyatta. To go undefeated against the best in the area is an accomplishment that I don't regard lightly. She is a "very nice champion race horse". I root for her to win because the sport needs these stories.

TVG needs to quit giving me this damn BS coverage. Just give me honesty. That's all I ask.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Nashoba's Key? ...Yeah, she beat such greats as the synthetic track version of Hystericalady and Zenyatta's multiple Grade 1 winning half sis Balance.

Zenyatta hasn't beat anything to get excited about.

The horse who was 2nd in last years Breeders Cup Distaff was Coco Beach and Music Note was 3rd. They're looking awfully bad now.

Life Is Sweet ran one prior time on polytrack prior to today .. and she was off the board in an ugly Ashland won by the great Little Belle.

But I know, Zenyatta has that dirt win with Brownie Points running 2nd.

The quality of opposition defeated card is not going to score you a ton of points with Zenyatta.

She beat the great Ginger Punch, you know the horse who dominated east coast racing, or did you forget...wait your going to tell me how that was not the great Ginger Punch that day or something.

Nashobas Key was a very very nice race horse, not quite as good as the record but very good none the less.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

She beat the great Ginger Punch, you know the horse who dominated east coast racing, or did you forget...wait your going to tell me how that was not the great Ginger Punch that day or something.

This implies that Brownie Points was better than Ginger Punch too because she beat her too, which is false.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

This implies that Brownie Points was better than Ginger Punch too because she beat her too, which is false.

Drugs knows I am kidding, I loath Ginger Punch and he knows it.

[10 pnt move up]

I dont follow Trakus, maybe Fat Man has a better gauge, is this normal for the winner of a big race?

According to Trakus calculations, Zenyatta ran her last quarter mile in :22.49 and reached her maximum speed of 40 mph at the wire.

also, is this fast?

five-sixteenths of a mile in approximately 28.20 seconds

[Travis Stone]

We have two awesome horses in our sport right now which are, unfortunately, on different paths. It's bad timing and bad luck.

Zenyatta is an amazing horse... the way she prances in the paddock, her visual and imposing presence... very cool. And her wins are very dramatic, very exciting.

Rachel Alexandra is brilliant and fast. She's running a lot, not ducking anybody and is capturing headlines.

If you wanted to get down to it and compare ability... well, Zenyatta barely beat a pretty weak horse today. She was a touch out of her element, which is fine. Rachel Alexandra is faster, has more tactical speed and when push comes to shove, probably better.

And we're kinda kidding ourselves a bit if we think a RA/Zen showdown is really going to do "much" for the sport. The average person knows about Rachel, the average person does not know about Zenyatta. Racing fans know about Zenyatta.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

We have two awesome horses in our sport right now which are, unfortunately, on different paths. It's bad timing and bad luck.

Zenyatta is an amazing horse... the way she prances in the paddock, her visual and imposing presence... very cool. And her wins are very dramatic, very exciting.

Rachel Alexandra is brilliant and fast. She's running a lot, not ducking anybody and is capturing headlines.

If you wanted to get down to it and compare ability... well, Zenyatta barely beat a pretty weak horse today. She was a touch out of her element, which is fine. Rachel Alexandra is faster, has more tactical speed and when push comes to shove, probably better.

And we're kinda kidding ourselves a bit if we think a RA/Zen showdown is really going to do "much" for the sport. The average person knows about Rachel, the average person does not know about Zenyatta. Racing fans know about Zenyatta.

Its not bad timing or bad luck, is mismanagement in the game by the people who run it, thats nothing new and if anyone expects more they should find another sport to follow. If the leaders of socal had not mandated to install syn to yield to political pressure this would not have happened. If the Breeders Cup had not decided to run two years in a row at Santa Anita this would not have happened.

I agree with everything else you wrote.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I dont follow Trakus, maybe Fat Man has a better gauge, is this normal for the winner of a big race?

According to Trakus calculations, Zenyatta ran her last quarter mile in :22.49 and reached her maximum speed of 40 mph at the wire.

also, is this fast?

five-sixteenths of a mile in approximately 28.20 seconds

These aren't TRAKUS charts. The data is from the chartmaker, so there most certainly will be some difference in positions (and lengths behind) and splits. More often than not, the differences are not significant.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

These aren't TRAKUS charts. The data is from the chartmaker, so there most certainly will be some difference in positions (and lengths behind) and splits. More often than not, the differences are not significant.

I got the info from the del mar site, not yours. My question is when does the winner reach top speed at the wire, that cant be normal, and 22.5 final 2 furlongs?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

Dream on girl they have to take on the males next or retire her now instead of after the Breeders Cup.

how so? they don't 'have' to do a damn thing with her.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I got the info from the del mar site, not yours. My question is when does the winner reach top speed at the wire, that cant be normal, and 22.5 final 2 furlongs?

This is a case where the TRAKUS chart and the chartmaker's don't jibe. It appears that while the 6F lengths behind is consistent between the two (around 7), the chartmaker has Z 4th, 4.5 lengths behind at 8F, gaining only 2 lengths, while TRAKUS has her 3rd, only 1 3/4 lengths behind, a gain of double that.

This is why accurate data has to be a top priority.

I'll generate the TRAKUS chart at some point.

EDIT: actually, this is because the TRAKUS DATA (and splits) is for 2F, 4F, 6F, 8F, and finish
while, the traditional chart (position and lengths) for this distance would be: 2F, 4F, 6F, STRETCH, and finish

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

We have two awesome horses in our sport right now which are, unfortunately, on different paths. It's bad timing and bad luck.

Zenyatta is an amazing horse... the way she prances in the paddock, her visual and imposing presence... very cool. And her wins are very dramatic, very exciting.

Rachel Alexandra is brilliant and fast. She's running a lot, not ducking anybody and is capturing headlines.

If you wanted to get down to it and compare ability... well, Zenyatta barely beat a pretty weak horse today. She was a touch out of her element, which is fine. Rachel Alexandra is faster, has more tactical speed and when push comes to shove, probably better.

And we're kinda kidding ourselves a bit if we think a RA/Zen showdown is really going to do "much" for the sport. The average person knows about Rachel, the average person does not know about Zenyatta. Racing fans know about Zenyatta.

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by outofthebox

Del Mar Website has her coming home the final 1/4 in 22.57. That is smoking.

and all he did was show her the whip....never touched her.

[Revidere]

[quote=The Indomitable DrugS]Nashoba's Key? ...Yeah, she beat such greats as the synthetic track version of Hystericalady and Zenyatta's multiple Grade 1 winning half sis Balance.

Zenyatta hasn't beat anything to get excited about.

The horse who was 2nd in last years Breeders Cup Distaff was Coco Beach and Music Note was 3rd. They're looking awfully bad now.

She also beat Tough Tiz's Sis twice, who then shipped east and won the Ruffian by 12.

Life Is Sweet ran one prior time on polytrack prior to today .. and she was off the board in an ugly Ashland won by the great Little Belle.


But I know, Zenyatta has that dirt win with Brownie Points running 2nd.

Detract from that race all you want. That was a solid win.

The quality of opposition defeated card is not going to score you a ton of points with Zenyatta.

And beating the underbelly of the 3 year olds is? The Derby winner she beat just lost to an allowance horse.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Revidere

She also beat Tough Tiz's Sis twice, who then shipped east and won the Ruffian by 12.

Tough Tiz's Sis was defeated in 5 of her last 6 synthetic track races and I'm still trying to figure out what winning a race on a sloppy dirt track at Belmont has to do with synthetic.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Revidere

and all he did was show her the whip....never touched her.

Oh, he touched her. She was in a drive. Not that it really matters - nor would she have come home any slower had he merely hand rode her home.

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Tough Tiz's Sis was defeated in 5 of her last 6 synthetic track races and I'm still trying to figure out what winning a race on a sloppy dirt track at Belmont has to do with synthetic.

Your quote:

Zenyatta hasn't beat anything to get excited about.

The horse who was 2nd in last years Breeders Cup Distaff was Coco Beach and Music Note was 3rd. They're looking awfully bad now.

Nothing. Your point wasnt in that context. It was about who Zenyatta has beaten. She beat a horse twice that came east and won the Ruffina by 12.

That's all.