Douglas to have surgery following spill - Page 4

tomm5647 · #61 05-25-2009, 02:32 PM

I wish only the best for Rene and his family. I pray for a complete recovery. Is anyone else a little upset that the Arlington website as of this morning was not even acknolodging that this had happened. I don't think that kind of head in the sand logic makes any sense.

Honu · #62 05-25-2009, 02:35 PM

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Does this mean that he can not ride anywhere? or just Arlington?

Its in effect at all race tracks.

brianwspencer · #63 05-25-2009, 03:18 PM

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I wish only the best for Rene and his family. I pray for a complete recovery. Is anyone else a little upset that the Arlington website as of this morning was not even acknolodging that this had happened. I don't think that kind of head in the sand logic makes any sense.

http://arlingtonpark.com/news/archiv...ouglas-injured

Left Bank · #64 05-25-2009, 04:11 PM

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That Cajun race riding that people just love to let go (and actually openly encourage) didn't work out so well for the industry yesterday. Lost one of our best turf riders because of that Cajun "race riding." That kind of move is tolerated every damn day at almost every track. So, you get what you order. He knew Douglas had more horse. He saw a spot open for Douglas. Knew he would win if he took it. So he made damn sure he couldn't take it. He didn't even have enough horse to take that spot. When Douglas is pushed out, Cajun doesn't even take the spot. He takes the rail. He had nothing. That blows.

Theriot never saw Douglas,as he was looking ahead of his horse.Douglas was coming up from BEHIND him.Accidents happen in this game,and that is what this was,an ACCIDENT!! So for you to crucify Theriot is totally unfair.How do you think Theriot feels about all this?? And you sit and b>itch about cajun riding,Or how jockeys go too wide all the time,yet you were all happy with the way Calvin rode in the derby.You are way out of line to go after Theriot here.He did nothing intentional.

brianwspencer · #65 05-25-2009, 04:27 PM

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You are so full of s.hit it is hilarious.Theriot never saw Douglas,as he was looking ahead of his horse.Douglas was coming up from BEHIND him.Accidents happen in this game,and that is what this was,an ACCIDENT!! So for you to crucify Theriot is totally unfair.How do you think Theriot feels about all this?? And you sit and b>itch about cajun riding,Or how jockeys go too wide all the time,yet you were all happy with the way Calvin rode in the derby.You are way out of line to go after Theriot here.He did nothing intentional.

Is it?

Left Bank · #66 05-25-2009, 04:35 PM

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Is it?

Yes,it is.

brianwspencer · #67 05-25-2009, 04:42 PM

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Yes,it is.

I think it's pretty fair. I know of at least one rider in that race who kept a straight course...then again, he's the one in the hospital right now and may never walk again.

Maybe I'm splitting hairs.

Scav · #68 05-25-2009, 04:46 PM

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I think it's pretty fair. I know of at least one rider in that race who kept a straight course...then again, he's the one in the hospital right now and may never walk again.

Maybe I'm splitting hairs.

Many hairs

infield_line · #69 05-25-2009, 05:16 PM

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Theriot never saw Douglas,as he was looking ahead of his horse.Douglas was coming up from BEHIND him.Accidents happen in this game,and that is what this was,an ACCIDENT!! So for you to crucify Theriot is totally unfair.How do you think Theriot feels about all this?? And you sit and b>itch about cajun riding,Or how jockeys go too wide all the time,yet you were all happy with the way Calvin rode in the derby.You are way out of line to go after Theriot here.He did nothing intentional.

in huge traffic around the turn headed into the stretch... if you step through the video frame by frame... where was Theriot thinking he was going to run to by bursting to the right? There was a wall of horses ahead of him. I know he feel terrible, an awful situation, but it's a little bit of a stretch to say.. hey stuff happens

I/L

Left Bank · #70 05-25-2009, 05:31 PM

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in huge traffic around the turn headed into the stretch... if you step through the video frame by frame... where was Theriot thinking he was going to run to by bursting to the right? There was a wall of horses ahead of him. I know he feel terrible, an awful situation, but it's a little bit of a stretch to say.. hey stuff happens

I/L

When Thoroughbred horses come with rear view mirrors installed,please let me know.It was an accident.I've seen a lot of worse bumps than what I saw.It's unfortunate what happened to Douglas,but an accident.

JJP · #71 05-25-2009, 06:39 PM

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Theriot never saw Douglas,as he was looking ahead of his horse.Douglas was coming up from BEHIND him.Accidents happen in this game,and that is what this was,an ACCIDENT!! So for you to crucify Theriot is totally unfair.How do you think Theriot feels about all this?? And you sit and b>itch about cajun riding,Or how jockeys go too wide all the time,yet you were all happy with the way Calvin rode in the derby.You are way out of line to go after Theriot here.He did nothing intentional.

HRTV reporting that Theriot got 30 days from the Arlington stewards.

JJP · #72 05-25-2009, 06:40 PM

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and was for some reason thinking they shipped him to the hospital up in the NW suburb's... I hope they did call in someone top rate... taking your chances on who is on the call list on a holiday weekend.... you never know

I/L

The hospital he initially went to is literally no more than 1 mile from Arlington. Maybe not even that.

MaTH716 · #73 05-25-2009, 07:32 PM

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When Thoroughbred horses come with rear view mirrors installed,please let me know.It was an accident.I've seen a lot of worse bumps than what I saw.It's unfortunate what happened to Douglas,but an accident.

Left Bank, you are way off base here. You're right accidents happen and most times they can't be prevented. But this was nothing more than a case of pure carelessness. Theirot forced his way into a hole that wasn't there, forcing Douglass to run up the back of a tiring horse. It was a careless, selfish move that led to the death of a horse and probably an end of a career.

Riot · #74 05-25-2009, 07:40 PM

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The hospital he initially went to is literally no more than 1 mile from Arlington. Maybe not even that.

And is a Level One Trauma Center.

Left Bank · #75 05-25-2009, 07:43 PM

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Left Bank, you are way off base here. You're right accidents happen and most times they can't be prevented. But this was nothing more than a case of pure carelessness. Theirot forced his way into a hole that wasn't there, forcing Douglass to run up the back of a tiring horse. It was a careless, selfish move that led to the death of a horse and probably an end of a career.

You're way off,not me.I watched the replay a zillion times and Theriot never turned his head,and never pulled a rein or did any deliberate move whatsoever.He did nothing intentional,probably didn't know Douglas was there until they bumped,and did NOT force his way in to a so called hole you claim was there,and if you ask me,it was not that bad of a bump that would warrant 30 days.This One's For Phil was bumped harder at Gulfstream than Douglas was.You will probably see a race this week where a horse gets bumped and pushed around harder than this.

SCUDSBROTHER · #76 05-25-2009, 08:30 PM

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Theriot never saw Douglas,as he was looking ahead of his horse.Douglas was coming up from BEHIND him.Accidents happen in this game,and that is what this was,an ACCIDENT!!.

It was an avoidable accident. I'm always gunna think he came out to keep a guy (loaded with horse) from unleashing a run. Could of been a lot of people doing it(not just Theriot.) I think I said that it's tolerated at just about every track. That means Theriot is certainly not the only one.

MaTH716 · #77 05-25-2009, 08:42 PM

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You're way off,not me.I watched the replay a zillion times and Theriot never turned his head,and never pulled a rein or did any deliberate move whatsoever.He did nothing intentional,probably didn't know Douglas was there until they bumped,and did NOT force his way in to a so called hole you claim was there,and if you ask me,it was not that bad of a bump that would warrant 30 days.This One's For Phil was bumped harder at Gulfstream than Douglas was.You will probably see a race this week where a horse gets bumped and pushed around harder than this.

I don't think anyone thought that it was intentional. But you do have to be accountable for your actions. He went for a seam on the turn that Douglass already had the jump on, knocking him out of it into the back of a tiring horse. You're right Theriot never turned HIS head to check if he was clear to his outside to make any sort of move. Theriot was stuck on the rail in the middle of the pack, how could he not be conscious of the horses around him? He jepordized himself and the rest of the field and Douglass and his mount ended up paying for it. If Theriot would have gave a glance he would have stayed on the rail, which eventually opened up anyway.

brianwspencer · #78 05-25-2009, 08:43 PM

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I don't think anyone thought that it was intentional. But you do have to be accountable for your actions. He went for a seam on the turn that Douglass already had the jump on, knocking him out of it into the back of a tiring horse. You're right Theriot never turned HIS head to check if he was clear to his outside to make any sort of move. Theriot was stuck on the rail in the middle of the pack, how could he not be conscious of the horses around him? He jepordized himself and the rest of the field and Douglass and his mount ended up paying for it. If Theriot would have gave a glance he would have stayed on the rail, which eventually opened up anyway.

10 pnt move up · #79 05-25-2009, 09:05 PM

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Yes,it is.

I just watched it, he came out of his path, there is no doubt of that, bumped RD's horse which put him into the heels of another, in my opinion 30 days is light.

dean smith · #80 05-25-2009, 09:06 PM

Here's a bunch of 200 lb. guys arguing about how to race ride a horse. C'mon. Douglas himself would probably tell you these things happen once or twice a race and when there are catastrophic incidents such as these they are freak happenings. It sure looked like an accident to me when I saw it on YouTube. It's a dangerous sport. No need to crucify someone for trying to put his horse in position to win.