Biancone, cold with 2 year olds, my theory why

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Ask away. He allows us to post all we want on the computer set up for personal use as long as the work gets done and we don't post pictures of people or attack people personally and don't post on finalturn.

You're a clown.

A week ago you were a $2,000 a race betting, law grad with a girlfriend setting up a meeting at Saratoga which you never showed for.

Now your a file clerking flunky sharing a one-bedroom with 4 of your closest friends.

On second thought, let Votta know I'll be calling HIS boss.

[quote=Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

They all will eventually go to tarpeta for their training tracks. It is just much easier on the horse and owners love the cheaper vet bills and knowing they will get more races out of their horse.

Oh I think every training track should go to a synthetic surface.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by oracle80

And this affects me in what way? Last time I read he was one of those being considered in California but they chose a rival company to his and Polytrack's as well. I did read that Fair Hill installed his surface but I have not read about his company being chosen anywhere to install his surface.
Either way, who gives a ****?
My concerns are about the health of the breeding industry.

And mine too... we have enough problems with unsound horses being bred.

[slotdirt]

I wonder if Pillow Pants knows Listerfiend...

[ceejay]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Well please show me my agenda. I have no vested interest in the stuff either way. None. It will have no bearing on my life unless of course if you consider the fact that I love the game and it could bring the whole sire market crashing down and destroy racing. Do you honestly think people will pay 300 grand to go to AP Indy or 500 grand to go to Storm Cat if this stuff permeates the marketplace? No way in hell. Have you even considered the possible economic effects on the whole industry? How many breeders have you heard excited over this stuff? So we should tailor racing to suit the needs of the cheapest claimers who have the least residual effect on the entire marketplace? Is that an improper way to look at the picture?

Are you saying that there won't be any dominant sires over polytrack or the others or are you saying that the dominant sires will be different?

Originally Posted by ceejay

Are you saying that there won't be any dominant sires over polytrack or the others or are you saying that the dominant sires will be different?

Perhaps one or the other, perhaps both Ceejay, perhaps neither.
Look, this stuff itself won't even be consistent. California just chose a rival company to polytrack. Different stuff.
I don't think you get what many people fear. Even a 2-5 year interruption in the breeding market would cause chaos that would be a death blow to the breeding industry. Check out tonight's sale and look at the prices.
If you have a period of uncertainty and stallion and mare prices crash, most farms will not survive long enough to see how it shakes out. They really won't.

[sumitas]

I believe Dickinson has patented the process of wax coating sand. Therefore, if another company wins a bid to install, Dickinson still gets paid because they all use on-site wax coating of sand. Dickinson's patented process.

[timmgirvan]

Nice work,Big-O!

Originally Posted by sumitas

I believe Dickinson has patented the process of wax coating sand. Therefore, if another company wins a bid to install, Dickinson still gets paid because they all use on-site wax coating of sand. Dickinson's patented process.

Thats not true. I specifically read that california chose a company from which he got squat. His patent isnt the only patent out there on how to make the varieties of stuff. Look up the article, he was only getting paid on the patent if they chose Polytrack over his own company in which case he would have gotten it all. They chose neither and went with another company.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Thats not true. I specifically read that california chose a company from which he got squat. His patent isnt the only patent out there on how to make the varieties of stuff. Look up the article, he was only getting paid on the patent if they chose Polytrack over his own company in which case he would have gotten it all. They chose neither and went with another company.

Dickinson has the best stuff out there. It is called Tarpeta, but I believe Keeneland owns part of the company that puts down polytrack, so I doubt Tarpeta will ever see that track. Tarpeta though is likely to be used on many training tracks. One of the Belmont training tracks might get it. It is going to be very common in the future for training tracks to be synthetic and the main track dirt. This way you can train if you want on one and if you don't like it you can just work on the main track.

[Gander]

Speaking of dickinson when is the Rat Lobster running again? Arlington on Saturday?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Man, would I love to see some paragraphs right about now.

I was thinking the same thing, but I managed to get through it, and he's got a pretty strong point..

You know, I would just love it if American racing switched everything to the turf. Make it easy and run on turf. You can have an inner turf and change the dirt track to an outer turf. I would love that so much.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

You know, I would just love it if American racing switched everything to the turf. Make it easy and run on turf. You can have an inner turf and change the dirt track to an outer turf. I would love that so much.

I doubt the breeders would love that. They should try to make it a 50-50 game though. Turf racing is more exciting anyway.

Originally Posted by boldruler

I doubt the breeders would love that. They should try to make it a 50-50 game though. Turf racing is more exciting anyway.

You know the Breeders can adjust. They always do anyway. But turf racing is the best. Dirt racing is so boring to me.

[packerbacker7964]

Yeah but they run some dam cheap claimers at Turfway during the winter. How many starts do these animals have in them when they go down like a one egg pudding? People also don't realize at the ammount of horses and only god knows how many more of them have added over the years. Hell they've enven added more races per card i bet since the mid to late 80's. I hate the poly-**** myself and will bet the turf and dirt until I die.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Facts

1) casualties went way down
2) racing days went up
3) vet costs are down
4) vets believe it is safer because of the footing horses get
5) top trainers are now moving their horses to train on the poly
6) CA and KY tracks are going to it.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...1horsecol.html

Stop being clueless and brainwashed by these poly haters like NYRA. The horses should come first.

If this has been said already, I don't know. But I stand by Cliff Guilliams quote and ask: "Where are the stats of how many were Vanned off at Turfway." A good quote might I add, and something I would like to see answered.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Dickinson has the best stuff out there. It is called Tarpeta, but I believe Keeneland owns part of the company that puts down polytrack, so I doubt Tarpeta will ever see that track. Tarpeta though is likely to be used on many training tracks. One of the Belmont training tracks might get it. It is going to be very common in the future for training tracks to be synthetic and the main track dirt. This way you can train if you want on one and if you don't like it you can just work on the main track.

There's a lot Dickinson talk here.

How well has Dickinson been doing since 2000? 2001? I thought so. His boys have been training on that material at his place. I haven't seen any speed from his horses in the past. Hasn't had any. Bellamy Road? Went to Zito, then was lights out for a race.

I'm sorry, but he's not winning, and his horse are training on it.

[2MinsToPost]

How I see it, as a new comer to this sport

Facts

- Less horses breaking down so far, considerably less

- Less days cancelled because of track conditions

Opinion

Everything else.

Let time tell the tale. I am no expert, I don't hold a candle to the wind of most on here but I have enough sense to know that in due course if the above two trends hold water and continue at their current pace (in other words considerably less breakdowns most importanly) then what is not to like about the surface assuming it is not harmful to those working around it daily. Are some of you telling me you would rather see more breakdowns on dirt then less on Poly?

On the subject of breeding, it will take care of itself. It has no choice. It has been in evolution for hundreds of years, subject to change and will continue to evolve. So be it that a horse like With A City might steal a race because of the surface. Some will lose, some will gain.

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost

How I see it, as a new comer to this sport

Facts

- Less horses breaking down so far, considerably less

- Less days cancelled because of track conditions

Opinion

Everything else.

Let time tell the tale. I am no expert, I don't hold a candle to the wind of most on here but I have enough sense to know that in due course if the above two trends hold water and continue at their current pace (in other words considerably less breakdowns most importanly) then what is not to like about the surface assuming it is not harmful to those working around it daily. Are some of you telling me you would rather see more breakdowns on dirt then less on Poly?

On the subject of breeding, it will take care of itself. It has no choice. It has been in evolution for hundreds of years, subject to change and will continue to evolve. So be it that a horse like With A City might steal a race because of the surface. Some will lose, some will gain.

Not a very informed opinion. Breeding may take care of itself but i can assure you the industry on which the sport is based won't if its thrown into undervalued chaos. Its ok though. Cold day in hell before Ny, Gulfstream, or CD change to it.